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Accepting what we've become

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Bungle said:
I was reading the transfer thread this morning and one thing strikes me every single time I venture in there is the level of delusion as to our current standing and what we can expect as a club.

The number of times we turn our noses up at potential signings because they supposedly aren't good enough for us, people speculating about why we haven't gone for this player or that player, when realistically they're way out of our reach.

We are a club that for the next few years will be threatened with relegation and it doesn't matter how much you bang on about our history it doesn't make us an attractive proposition in the present. If you accept where we currently are and the grind that it's going to be over the next few years to get out of it then you'll feel much better, don't have an aneurysm when Antonio or Adams get mentioned, they're currently our level both ability wise and financially.

Calm down, accept our current situation and lower your expectations and things won't seem quite so bleak.
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I see it as the intersection of two problems. One is The Cherry Orchard problem that you describe. The other is people electing not to look around and see how other clubs escaped similar fiscal shackles, and built a competitive Prem side instead.

Those of us who are banging the "young signings" drum realize we can no longer afford to commit significant resources to older players who will have no sell-on value. Doing that is how we ended up here. We can make signings like Tarkowski, and should. Nothing wrong with tossing dice on Ashley Young on a one-year with an option, either.

That's how we have to sign older players, though. Someone like Che Adams isn't an option because he's a lesser version of signings like Doucoure. IMO, we should commit significant resources to solving the front line problem the right way, then paper over other cracks with loans and stopgaps. Not everyone agrees with this approach. As @Eggs says, the rational portion of the transfer thread debate revolves around the correct pathway out of the box.

We should be able to agree that we need to do enough with the limited resources we have available to stay up, sell on some young talent down the road and let the rest become long-run stalwarts without amortization. Then, we can afford to spend our way back up the table. There is no quick fix for this mess, as you say.
 
Eggs said:
….I wouldn’t call Evertonians deluded, I think we know only too well the situation the club us in.

Transfers are a matter of opinion & fans have different views on specific targets or strategy.
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Plenty do, but there's also loads that don't given the amount of soiling themselves you witness when another transfer target signs for someone else as the selling club won't accept a passionate fanbase and history as part of the payment.
 

Bungle said:
I was reading the transfer thread this morning and one thing strikes me every single time I venture in there is the level of delusion as to our current standing and what we can expect as a club.

The number of times we turn our noses up at potential signings because they supposedly aren't good enough for us, people speculating about why we haven't gone for this player or that player, when realistically they're way out of our reach.

We are a club that for the next few years will be threatened with relegation and it doesn't matter how much you bang on about our history it doesn't make us an attractive proposition in the present. If you accept where we currently are and the grind that it's going to be over the next few years to get out of it then you'll feel much better, don't have an aneurysm when Antonio or Adams get mentioned, they're currently our level both ability wise and financially.

Calm down, accept our current situation and lower your expectations and things won't seem quite so bleak.
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That's exactly what one man has done to this club, Thanks Bill.

Weve gone from winning titles and cups to a solitary FA cup during the decline.

Our ambitions were then top 6
Top 8
Top half
Win a derby match
Celebrating Liverpool getting beat in European cup finals
Don't be in relegation fight
Now its 17th place.

Again, Thanks Bill.
 
Bungle said:
there is the level of delusion as to our current standing and what we can expect as a club.
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Been the same level for years, I’d accepted years ago that we weren’t a massive club anymore, years of winning nothing doesn’t make you one of the big clubs just like history doesn’t, a brand new stadium won’t either. We’re in transition from being a comfortable premier league team to fighting relegation and our main focus is beating the drop I’ve seen people mention 8th-13th place finishes think we would be very very lucky to get 13th/14th, a top half finish we have next to no chance of more chance we’re relegated.
 
I think most of us realise the position we’ve in but you have to wonder if these players mentioned will actually improve the team to a level that isn’t a relegation threatened one.
 

GrandOldTeam said:
He tried to WUM but misjudged it completely and he's now in line for the new "post of the month" award which will be given by total reactions.
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anton66 said:
I think most of us realise the position we’ve in but you have to wonder if these players mentioned will actually improve the team to a level that isn’t a relegation threatened one.
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This. Che Adams is “our level” but he was the starting centre forward for the team that finished bottom with 25 points. So is that the level we’re working towards?

We’ve been buying relegated players for the past 6 years and we’ve become a team that is involved in relegation scraps every year. How on earth did that happen??
 
MikeH72 said:
This. Che Adams is “our level” but he was the starting centre forward for the team that finished bottom with 25 points. So is that the level we’re working towards?

We’ve been buying relegated players for the past 6 years and we’ve become a team that is involved in relegation scraps every year. How on earth did that happen??
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We lost Gylfi Sigurdsson mate and with it, his goals and assists which I said for years if we lost we'd be fighting relegation....

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