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If he really wants out then get rid. Get £25m from Leipzig and put it toward someone like Lozano. (Lozano is a pipe dream IMO)
 

davids said:
Think the discussion was about the singling out of young players.
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And that happens in Germany / Europe as well.

It happens everywhere.

When Draxler didn't commit to Schalke, he was booed and jeered. Same with Meyer over what happened last season.

There were cries of frustration from the Dortmund crowd in January when Jadon Sancho kept fluffing his lines when it came to a final pass.

It happens everywhere.

I do think our fans can be quick to turn - I think that has become more of an issue in the last five years since Martinez took over and all that has happened since - but we're not the only ones.
 
Borussin said:
I would say German crowds are very forgiving, and if the team plays hard and plays good football - and in those cases, even if losing, they will awalys support their team.

But Dortmund fans can be really harsh, unlike a lot of other teams fans. And last season there was a lot of unhappiness due to the perception players where not trying more than anything. Dortmund fans are probably the toughest to please in the league these days. Don't tar other teams with the same brush though, we are a tough crowd!
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I didn't make myself clear there, sorry. In my experience, when I have watched/been to games in Germany, there has been an equal amount of frustration if something went wrong.

I'm not saying it's a bad thing - the expectation of success has to be there - but it definitely exists just as it does in England. isn't that fair to say.

But yes, I won't paint all teams with the same brush and I'll bow to your superior knowledge on this one!
 
BlueToff said:
And that happens in Germany / Europe as well.

It happens everywhere.

When Draxler didn't commit to Schalke, he was booed and jeered. Same with Meyer over what happened last season.

There were cries of frustration from the Dortmund crowd in January when Jadon Sancho kept fluffing his lines when it came to a final pass.

It happens everywhere.

I do think our fans can be quick to turn - I think that has become more of an issue in the last five years since Martinez took over and all that has happened since - but we're not the only ones.
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We're the worst I've ever seen for it

Genuinely

It always amuses me when our supporters complain of lack of loyalty from players

We turn on players at the drop of a hat over anything and everything. Any player who believes in loyalty after that is a mug. We get the club we deserve at the end of the day
 

Mikey_Fitzgerald said:
We're the worst I've ever seen for it

Genuinely

It always amuses me when our supporters complain of lack of loyalty from players

We turn on players at the drop of a hat over anything and everything. Any player who believes in loyalty after that is a mug. We get the club we deserve at the end of the day
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Oh we're bad, Mikey. I agree. And like I said I think it's become worse in the last five years.

But it does happen everywhere, it probably happens more here than other places, like.
 
mightymoyes said:
Oh right, knew it was one of them. Cheers
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aye, the celeb Evertonians

I don't mind Ped at face value - he's just a gobs**e with a camera but fair play he's done what he's done. I like Baz. He's sound enough. And I'm glad Everton have a few successful fan channels like that and the Blueroom.

If people want to pay for that content, so be it.

But they don't know anything. Dave Downie doesn't know anything, and it annoys me when they pretend to and then backtrack (play the bullying card in some cases, ffs).
 

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