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Aliens

Are we alone


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200 billion trillion stars estimated in the universe - each with its own system. It would be unbelievable to think that the balance of things required to achieve life, is just limited to our solar system. We maybe the only life, but the odds of that are ridiculously high.
That may be true, but the vast distances they would need to travel to get to earth would mean they would need to:

A) Be able to live for hundreds if not thousands of years just to make the journey to earth.

B) be able to withstand massive amounts of G-force if they can fly at abnormal speeds

C) have the ability to navigate through wormholes or portholes to get here quicker (which I think is a lot of marvel movie bull).
 
That may be true, but the vast distances they would need to travel to get to earth would mean they would need to:

A) Be able to live for hundreds if not thousands of years just to make the journey to earth.

B) be able to withstand massive amounts of G-force if they can fly at abnormal speeds

C) have the ability to navigate through wormholes or portholes to get here quicker (which I think is a lot of marvel movie bull).
Nah….I’ve watched Star Trek. Haven’t you heard of teleporting? They had that in the ‘60s. Them aliens are everywhere :oops:
 




 
That may be true, but the vast distances they would need to travel to get to earth would mean they would need to:

A) Be able to live for hundreds if not thousands of years just to make the journey to earth.

B) be able to withstand massive amounts of G-force if they can fly at abnormal speeds

C) have the ability to navigate through wormholes or portholes to get here quicker (which I think is a lot of marvel movie bull).
Said this before to others.
We may or may not be the only ones. But we will never likely know if anything else is out there.
Maybe, just maybe. Humans are the big bad of the universe, and we find ways to travel and go mess other places up.
 




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That may be true, but the vast distances they would need to travel to get to earth would mean they would need to:

A) Be able to live for hundreds if not thousands of years just to make the journey to earth.

B) be able to withstand massive amounts of G-force if they can fly at abnormal speeds

C) have the ability to navigate through wormholes or portholes to get here quicker (which I think is a lot of marvel movie bull).
Yeah sorry the thread was just about whether we thought they existed. I agree that given how far away each seemingly inhabitable planets/systems are away from us, it would take an advanced species to be able to travel those distances. For all we know, we are the most advanced species. I can’t wait for Everton to become Intergalactic league champions.
 
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That may be true, but the vast distances they would need to travel to get to earth would mean they would need to:

A) Be able to live for hundreds if not thousands of years just to make the journey to earth.

B) be able to withstand massive amounts of G-force if they can fly at abnormal speeds

C) have the ability to navigate through wormholes or portholes to get here quicker (which I think is a lot of marvel movie bull).
I will once again reference Clarke's Rendevous with Rama on how to end-run a) and b), and render c) irrelevant.

Now, I will say that even Clarke leaves the 'why' on his defintive take on the 'space ark' concept unresolved (which is sort of the point of that work). It takes something like Niven and Pournelle's aliens in The Mote in God's Eye to reduce that problem to something humans can understand, in terms of the conflict between long-run greatest good and short-run self-interest.

Scalzi follows Clarke. His Consu let him hide behind what Gaiman and Pratchett would call 'ineffable' in Good Omens. The film Prometheus goes to the same place - understanding the aliens' motivations would require understanding them, which is impossible for humans at our present level of development.

I don't think we can rationally rule the presence or influence of aliens out, given the thought experiments. It's not where I would start, when trying to explain the world around us, but I also wouldn't discard the possibility out of hand. My bar for 'aliens' as an explanation for results is fairly high, but a large enough stack of evidence could flip me. I still haven't seen anything that makes me concede the point, but I also don't need Clarke's Karellen turning up to sell me.
 
Yeah sorry the thread was just about whether we thought they existed. I agree that given how far away each seemingly inhabitable planets/systems are away from us, it would take an advanced species to be able to travel those distances. For all we know, we are the most advanced species. I can’t wait for Everton to become Intergalactic league champions.
Reminds me of a joke in Punch years ago.

Guy walking his dog in a field comes face to face with a WWI style bi-plane. The pilot gets out saying ''Actually I'm from another planet, we're just not as advanced as you.''
 
Its very likely that there is another identical Sun and Earth somewhere,with life on it exactly the same as life on our Earth has had, just that it is probably too far away to be found,in the trillions of miles . They might even only be at the dinosaur age or the neanderthal stage of evolution...who knows.
 

Its very likely that there is another identical Sun and Earth somewhere,with life on it exactly the same as life on our Earth has had, just that it is probably too far away to be found,in the trillions of miles . They might even only be at the dinosaur age or the neanderthal stage of evolution...who knows.
good times?
 

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