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Andy Gray - Everton legend?

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blue_aussie05 said:
Probably not for me, despite his cup final winning goal.

The difference with Gray was that he was the catalyst, or one of the main catalysts, for our success in the 80s.

Did you ever see him play? If not, look at the video footage of him celebrating after a goal, any goal, not necessarily even one he scored. If he didn't score it himself, he was invariably the first one over to celebrate with the goal scorer. The affinity and connection he had with the fans was instant.

He was a definite legend in my eyes.
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He is a very similar player to Rideout. Fearless, scored important goals and with a similar strike rate.

Why isn't Rideout?
 

BlockHead said:
His time as an Everton player was phenomenal, a fearless, no nonsense centre forward who inspired his team mates and struck fear into the opposition. He had a real chemistry with the crowd that he blew after joining Sky and screaming his head off... "You beauty" when Slippy scored late in a Champs League game. We should be thankful for his unbridled passion for the game and his efforts on behalf of the club, but that reaction will surely never be forgotten and possibly not forgiven.
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Andy was the catalyst which sparked the mid 80s glory days.

A legend in my eyes.

And Block.....he was a guest color commentator for BT Sport at The Pit earlier this season.

Check out his reaction to the Jags equaliser......he more than makes up for the Slippy thing ;)




(For some reason it won't let me paste it right now.....look it up on YouTube :))
 
blue4eva77 said:
He is a very similar player to Rideout. Fearless, scored important goals and with a similar strike rate.

Why isn't Rideout?
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For me, Gray provided a lot more than just goals. I believe he was one of the major catalysts for our success in the 80s. He came in when we were in the duldrums and absolutely lifted the place, in the dressing room and on the pitch. He scored in two cup finals and won three trophies, playing in the best Everton team I've ever seen. Plus, as I previously states, he played like he was one of us. He totally 'got' what Everton were all about, despite his brief time with us.

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but to even think about comparing him to Rideout suggests to me that you may not have been around to see Andy Gray play?
 
Khalekan said:
And Block.....he was a guest color commentator for BT Sport at The Pit earlier this season.

Check out his reaction to the Jags equaliser......he more than makes up for the Slippy thing ;)

(For some reason it won't let me paste it right now.....look it up on YouTube :))
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What did he say/do?
 
blue_aussie05 said:
For me, Gray provided a lot more than just goals. I believe he was one of the major catalysts for our success in the 80s. He came in when we were in the duldrums and absolutely lifted the place, in the dressing room and on the pitch. He scored in two cup finals and won three trophies, playing in the best Everton team I've ever seen. Plus, as I previously states, he played like he was one of us. He totally 'got' what Everton were all about, despite his brief time with us.

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but to even think about comparing him to Rideout suggests to me that you may not have been around to see Andy Gray play?
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I agree with what you're saying and no doubting that Gray was instrumental in our success through the 80's. No question. He did play in the most successful team in our history and arguably the greatest ever, something Rideout never could take advantage of.

Paul Rideout is Andy Gray mk II... extremely similar players. Throw Rideout in the 80's team and the thread title would have his name on it.
 
blue4eva77 said:
Paul Rideout is Andy Gray mk II... extremely similar players. Throw Rideout in the 80's team and the thread title would have his name on it.
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Nah, can't agree with any of that statement to be honest. I respect your opinion, but it's obviously very different to mine.

Rideout may have been similar to Gray in some ways, but what he brought to the team, and the club as a whole, were oceans apart compared to Gray's achievements.

Rideout didn't have anywhere near the same success, charisma or presence as Andy Gray. Nor did he have anywhere near the same connection with the fans
 

blue_aussie05 said:
Nah, can't agree with any of that statement to be honest. I respect your opinion, but it's obviously very different to mine.

Rideout may have been similar to Gray in some ways, but what he brought to the team, and the club as a whole, were oceans apart compared to Gray's achievements.

Rideout didn't have anywhere near the same success, charisma or presence as Andy Gray. Nor did he have anywhere near the same connection with the fans
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He didn't have the same success because he didn't have the greatest Everton team in history playing with him.

Like I said, the term Legend is used to openly and frequently. If Gray is a legend, throw Rideout in aswell. Loved Andy Gray, a proper no nonsense #9. The night he was creaming his chino's over Gerrards goal though... ?? And you say he 'gets ' Everton? A weird one that really, fuming to be honest.
 

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