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Chewbacca said:
The new Kia EV6/Ioniq5 twins can apparently do 10-80% charge in 18 minutes
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This would drive me nuts.

Mrs. Tree and I drove the length of France in the RRS once (3.0 TDv6), and we swapped seats roughly every 200 miles. Every second seat swap we got fuel and we'd go from near-empty to totally full in five minutes. The only time we stopped for longer than that was for an overnight stop at a hotel.

I could deal with EVs having poor (less than 300 miles) range if they recharged from 10% to 100% in ten minutes. Equally I could handle a slow recharge time if the range was substantially better in the first place, say 500 miles minimum. But the combination of poor range, slow recharge times AND massive purchase price is too big a ballache for me. I know they'll improve in every way but until those improvements become reality AND the price drops, EVs remain uninteresting to me.

At the moment we're weighing up a 2018 I-pace against a 2014 diesel RRS (current one is a 2010) and the difference in purchase price is well over £10k. Even if electric recharging costs remain lower than the cost of diesel at the pumps, the I-pace just doesn't make any mathematical sense.

Having said all that, I saw a pristine mark 4 VW golf R32 the other day. 03 plate, 30k miles... At £25k. Mrs. Tree physically wrestled my credit card away from me.
 
Tree13 said:
This would drive me nuts.

Mrs. Tree and I drove the length of France in the RRS once (3.0 TDv6), and we swapped seats roughly every 200 miles. Every second seat swap we got fuel and we'd go from near-empty to totally full in five minutes. The only time we stopped for longer than that was for an overnight stop at a hotel.

I could deal with EVs having poor (less than 300 miles) range if they recharged from 10% to 100% in ten minutes. Equally I could handle a slow recharge time if the range was substantially better in the first place, say 500 miles minimum. But the combination of poor range, slow recharge times AND massive purchase price is too big a ballache for me. I know they'll improve in every way but until those improvements become reality AND the price drops, EVs remain uninteresting to me.

At the moment we're weighing up a 2018 I-pace against a 2014 diesel RRS (current one is a 2010) and the difference in purchase price is well over £10k. Even if electric recharging costs remain lower than the cost of diesel at the pumps, the I-pace just doesn't make any mathematical sense.

Having said all that, I saw a pristine mark 4 VW golf R32 the other day. 03 plate, 30k miles... At £25k. Mrs. Tree physically wrestled my credit card away from me.
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Anything under 20 minutes sounds good to me, although I know that only recharging to 80% is still range-limiting. My daily driving habits notwithstanding, when these get near 400 mi range and prices that compare to ICE vehicles (you know, for regular joes like me and not wealthy people like Andy) then I will be interested in EVs in a practical way. At the moment I am interested in EVs the way I am interested in vacation homes... 15 minutes browsing on boring conference calls interested.
 
To be fair, when I had my 7 litre Riviera the range was about 170 miles at 8mpg and anytime I pulled into a garage it took half an hour to getaway due to all the people wanting to talk about it. I generally want cars to be fun rather than convenient.

PS the ‘apparently’ regarding charging means it’s a manufacturers claim
 
Chewbacca said:
To be fair, when I had my 7 litre Riviera the range was about 170 miles at 8mpg and anytime I pulled into a garage it took half an hour to getaway due to all the people wanting to talk about it. I generally want cars to be fun rather than convenient.

PS the ‘apparently’ regarding charging means it’s a manufacturers claim
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Those 1st and 2nd gen cars were so good looking.

What year was yours?
 

Chewbacca said:
I’m currently looking at 3 options for full EV and 2 are basically the same car

Kia EV6
Hyundai Ioniq5
Polestar 2

all in the low £40k area and 260-300 mile range. The Germans are yet to convince me with their electric efforts (not to mention their current blind spot around aesthetics).
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Have a look at the Skoda ENYAQ iV too, gotten great reviews across the board and ranges from £32-£45k with 300 odd mile range
 

Only sold it as I had been told it had been restored by an ex-Buick employee. Turned out he’d worked in accounts and knew bugger all about cars. It was a crash damaged bodge job. I couldn’t afford to fix it properly.
 
SerenityNigh said:
Does that mean they go from 10 to 80% in 18 mins, or that the reliability of the charge is suspect? I presume the former, but that's not how I read it at first glance.
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10-80% of battery charge, accounting for around 200 miles of driving range based on early estimates.
 

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