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2019/20 Anthony Gordon

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Agreed, but what I will say for Allardyce is that he put players in their correct positions and at least put out a balanced team (even if it was negative). Koeman’s 11 that season had Gueye Schneiderlin Klaassen in midfield and Siggurdson Rooney Sandro up front. No pace and no goals. Allardyce put Gueye holding and Rooney and Davies ahead of him in midfield. He then added Calvert a Lewin upfront and Lennon/Walcott on the right. All of a sudden we had a tiny bit of creativity in a settled midfield and we had a bit of pace up front. It was just enough to win enough home games required to see the job through. That team under Koeman the way it was laid out looked like it wouldn’t win a single game.


I dont think anybody doubts that Allardyce is capable of grinding out results to get the minimum expectation result. His percentage football has always done that. It was only (to his credit) when he was ahead of the curve with sports science that he overperformed with Bolton.

Otherwise he a horrible man with a very negative and percentage based outlook on football, who somehow got the England job and managed to throw it away within a month of taking it by being bent. That's what people's issues are. He did the job he was asked to do, taking us up from 12th to 8th. (He was not in charge of that West Ham game, no matter if he believes he was).
 
I dont think anybody doubts that Allardyce is capable of grinding out results to get the minimum expectation result. His percentage football has always done that. It was only (to his credit) when he was ahead of the curve with sports science that he overperformed with Bolton.

Otherwise he a horrible man with a very negative and percentage based outlook on football, who somehow got the England job and managed to throw it away within a month of taking it by being bent. That's what people's issues are. He did the job he was asked to do, taking us up from 12th to 8th. (He was not in charge of that West Ham game, no matter if he believes he was).

It was a ridiculous slight on Unsworth that.

The media peddled it and Fat Sam was only happy to lap it up.

How could he take any credit for that having been announced about 30 minutes before kick off?
 

It was a ridiculous slight on Unsworth that.

The media peddled it and Fat Sam was only happy to lap it up.

How could he take any credit for that having been announced about 30 minutes before kick off?
Appointing Unsworth was a risk the owners could not take.
We had just been slaughtered by a mediocre Southampton team and Unsworth looked as if he didn't know what he was doing.
Appointing a complete novice to manage a team in free fall would have been suicide.
We have seen before and since that managing a big club is a job for a big manager. They need experience and need to have been involved at the very top level for a few years.
 
You have two types of manager really. The first is a coach who has a specific style of play they want implemented that they take from club to club and stick to that approach. Pep, Klopp, Pochettino are all the best examples of this. The 2nd are more flexible managers, who will adapt to different approaches. Ancelotti, Mourinho etc are good examples of this.

I don't think it's a better or worse scenario, but I would say certain managers suit certain clubs. It also tends to be, more experienced managers tend to fall into the latter category.

I think we've needed a manager like Ancelotti, who is able to look at the squad, forget about how he wants to play and do whats best fr the team.Michael Keane, for example goes from looking like a championship player to an international player based on where you defend. The aforementioned 4 attacking players like playing on the break. We have developed an approach to suit the squad, rather than the other way. No amount of coaching will make Keane comfortable high up the pitch.

While it's controversial, arguably the best manager in terms of results of the last 4 was Allardyce, who was cut from the same cloth. Allardyce was incredibly dislikeable though, couldn't work under a DOF to a medium term plan and wanted to spend copious amounts of money on poor players, but I do think he was tactically flexible. He saw it was a poor squad, and developed a plan to play defensively and try to nick games by the odd goal.

The thing is, Ancelotti is a much more likeable person and has won a lot more, so his pragmatism will be roundly accepted. And for where we are it makes sense.
The figures don't really back that up to be honest. We won 9 of 24 league games under Allardyce, conceding 30 goals. If you break down other managers into the same size chunks they're pretty similar. Silva's first 24 games saw the same amount of wins but conceding 3 more goals, his last 24 was again 9 wins and conceding 4 more goals. Koeman's first 24 games saw 11 wins with 27 conceded. The only one that stands out as noticeably different is Koeman's last 24 games, where we only won 8 but conceded 42. Maybe it's just the fact that Allardyce has a reputation as a pragmatist that makes you believe he did it better than he actually did?

I think it's a bit too early to making sweeping judgement on what Ancelotti is doing really. It's only 4 games ago we got walloped 4-0 at Chelsea and it could have been a lot more. At Arsenal the defending was kamikaze. We've only kept one clean sheet away from home under him, and that was at bottom of the table Norwich, who have only scored once in their last 9 games. That's not a criticism of him, I just thinking people are - as usual - very quick to decide things have changed after 1 or 2 performances. Let's just see how things go over a longer period before we decide we've cracked it.

I like the look of Gordon, I hope he starts tonight.
 

Appointing Unsworth was a risk the owners could not take.
We had just been slaughtered by a mediocre Southampton team and Unsworth looked as if he didn't know what he was doing.
Appointing a complete novice to manage a team in free fall would have been suicide.
We have seen before and since that managing a big club is a job for a big manager. They need experience and need to have been involved at the very top level for a few years.

Totally agree mate, think you misunderstood my post.

I meant the whole narrative that Big Sam was responsible for the West Ham victory was a slight on Unsworth.

Sam was appointed in the hours before the game, sat in the stands watching and then got lauded by the media for inspiring an Everton win o_O

Rhino deserved credit for that game, but we made the right choice not appointing him full time
 
Gordon wouldnt have got a start unless Ancelotti believed in him which is exciting.
That's the best thing about all this for me. Lots of ppl were saying before the restart that we should give him a run because these games don't really count, that they're effectively just end of season friendlies. But Carlo clearly doesn't see it that way (see his comments about Europe the other day), and Gordon is still getting plenty of time instead of Bernard and Iwobi at times, so is clearly there on merit, not sentiment/experience.
 
Totally agree mate, think you misunderstood my post.

I meant the whole narrative that Big Sam was responsible for the West Ham victory was a slight on Unsworth.

Sam was appointed in the hours before the game, sat in the stands watching and then got lauded by the media for inspiring an Everton win o_O

Rhino deserved credit for that game, but we made the right choice not appointing him full time
I do think though that Allyrdyce sitting in the stands had an impact on the West Ham game.

I think that would also be true of anybody who was appointed manager.
The players certainly wanted to do well for Unsworth but I also think they knew they were playing for their futures with their new manager sitting in the stand.
 

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