2019/20 Anthony Gordon

[Arteta10]

I do think though that Allyrdyce sitting in the stands had an impact on the West Ham game.

I think that would also be true of anybody who was appointed manager.
The players certainly wanted to do well for Unsworth but I also think they knew they were playing for their futures with their new manager sitting in the stand.

A fair point.

But hardly something Sam can take credit for!

Says more about the players than him

 

[catcherintherye]

The figures don't really back that up to be honest. We won 9 of 24 league games under Allardyce, conceding 30 goals. If you break down other managers into the same size chunks they're pretty similar. Silva's first 24 games saw the same amount of wins but conceding 3 more goals, his last 24 was again 9 wins and conceding 4 more goals. Koeman's first 24 games saw 11 wins with 27 conceded. The only one that stands out as noticeably different is Koeman's last 24 games, where we only won 8 but conceded 42. Maybe it's just the fact that Allardyce has a reputation as a pragmatist that makes you believe he did it better than he actually did?

I think it's a bit too early to making sweeping judgement on what Ancelotti is doing really. It's only 4 games ago we got walloped 4-0 at Chelsea and it could have been a lot more. At Arsenal the defending was kamikaze. We've only kept one clean sheet away from home under him, and that was at bottom of the table Norwich, who have only scored once in their last 9 games. That's not a criticism of him, I just thinking people are - as usual - very quick to decide things have changed after 1 or 2 performances. Let's just see how things go over a longer period before we decide we've cracked it.

I like the look of Gordon, I hope he starts tonight.

It's an interesting post. I have focussed on the first 14 games as Ancelotti has had 14 league games, so not sure where or why the 24 games figure has emerged from?

On Allardyce, we were a a bad team when he came in. We have been defeated heavily that season on about 5 or 6 occasions, often to sides like Southampton. We were a long way off being competitive in a lot of games. Under Allardyce, particularly at home we started winning the games we ought to win. He is quite good at that. He will see a poor group of players, low on confidence and develop a game plan that allows them to be competitive. I don't think there can be any doubt he can and does do this. Thats his party trick. The issue he has is he is very dislikeable, and he can't do anything other than this.

As for Carlo his record after 18 league games is far better than Koeman and Silva's were. I also think, mid season, hovering by the bottom 3, he inherited a situation that was probably equally perilious and has navigated it well.

There has been disappointments, but the fact we count our disappointments as bad defending in a narrow defeat at Arsenal, and a woeful performance at Chelsea is quite demonstrative of how well he has done.

After 15 games we were in the bottom 3. We were bottom of the league for 2nd half performances. We had not come from behind to win a game in 18 months. There were lots of things wrong about the team, but also lots of real negatives too. Post Silva, mainly under him we have been showing top 4/5 form. It's a significant turnaround. I happen to think we are probably better than we showed under Silva, and have rode our luck a bit under Carlo, and maximised outputs and that probably sums up Carlo to Silva. The performance levels probably haven't changed much, but getting over the line has been much better. A lot of that is avoiding playing a system that ill suits the team.

 

[rochdaleblue]

It's an interesting post. I have focussed on the first 14 games as Ancelotti has had 14 league games, so not sure where or why the 24 games figure has emerged from?

On Allardyce, we were a a bad team when he came in. We have been defeated heavily that season on about 5 or 6 occasions, often to sides like Southampton. We were a long way off being competitive in a lot of games. Under Allardyce, particularly at home we started winning the games we ought to win. He is quite good at that. He will see a poor group of players, low on confidence and develop a game plan that allows them to be competitive. I don't think there can be any doubt he can and does do this. Thats his party trick. The issue he has is he is very dislikeable, and he can't do anything other than this.

As for Carlo his record after 18 league games is far better than Koeman and Silva's were. I also think, mid season, hovering by the bottom 3, he inherited a situation that was probably equally perilious and has navigated it well.

There has been disappointments, but the fact we count our disappointments as bad defending in a narrow defeat at Arsenal, and a woeful performance at Chelsea is quite demonstrative of how well he has done.

After 15 games we were in the bottom 3. We were bottom of the league for 2nd half performances. We had not come from behind to win a game in 18 months. There were lots of things wrong about the team, but also lots of real negatives too. Post Silva, mainly under him we have been showing top 4/5 form. It's a significant turnaround. I happen to think we are probably better than we showed under Silva, and have rode our luck a bit under Carlo, and maximised outputs and that probably sums up Carlo to Silva. The performance levels probably haven't changed much, but getting over the line has been much better. A lot of that is avoiding playing a system that ill suits the team.

I’m sure the other managers will point to how they were unlucky. But the disallowed goal against united and the inexcusable draw with Newcastle and we’d be in a far healthier position.

 

[brieverton]

It's an interesting post. I have focussed on the first 14 games as Ancelotti has had 14 league games, so not sure where or why the 24 games figure has emerged from?

On Allardyce, we were a a bad team when he came in. We have been defeated heavily that season on about 5 or 6 occasions, often to sides like Southampton. We were a long way off being competitive in a lot of games. Under Allardyce, particularly at home we started winning the games we ought to win. He is quite good at that. He will see a poor group of players, low on confidence and develop a game plan that allows them to be competitive. I don't think there can be any doubt he can and does do this. Thats his party trick. The issue he has is he is very dislikeable, and he can't do anything other than this.

As for Carlo his record after 18 league games is far better than Koeman and Silva's were. I also think, mid season, hovering by the bottom 3, he inherited a situation that was probably equally perilious and has navigated it well.

There has been disappointments, but the fact we count our disappointments as bad defending in a narrow defeat at Arsenal, and a woeful performance at Chelsea is quite demonstrative of how well he has done.

After 15 games we were in the bottom 3. We were bottom of the league for 2nd half performances. We had not come from behind to win a game in 18 months. There were lots of things wrong about the team, but also lots of real negatives too. Post Silva, mainly under him we have been showing top 4/5 form. It's a significant turnaround. I happen to think we are probably better than we showed under Silva, and have rode our luck a bit under Carlo, and maximised outputs and that probably sums up Carlo to Silva. The performance levels probably haven't changed much, but getting over the line has been much better. A lot of that is avoiding playing a system that ill suits the team.

I'd agree with that. He has done about as well as could be expected with what he inherited.

It would be hugely significant to win tonight and slay another demon, but I feel it would be too much to ask too soon, not that Spurs are all that themselves anymore.

Once again, we are facing into a critical window, one that will perhaps set the tone for the rest of Ancelotti's time here.

Whatever way it works out with him and Brands, if Ancelotti's influence comes to bear, we will look in much better shape again relatively quickly.

 

[MikeH72]

Wouldn’t mind seeing him on the left of a front 3, think a change of formation would benefit us tonight.

 

[blueloon]

I’m not sure why this has suddenly become a thread dominated by people wishing to write about our managers past and present , the odd off topic post is acceptable but this much , really guys?? Sam Allardyce?? It would really be great if you found another thread to talk about managers and left this one to people who want to talk about Anthony Gordon , cheers.

 

[Lanolin]

It's an interesting post. I have focussed on the first 14 games as Ancelotti has had 14 league games, so not sure where or why the 24 games figure has emerged from?

On Allardyce, we were a a bad team when he came in. We have been defeated heavily that season on about 5 or 6 occasions, often to sides like Southampton. We were a long way off being competitive in a lot of games. Under Allardyce, particularly at home we started winning the games we ought to win. He is quite good at that. He will see a poor group of players, low on confidence and develop a game plan that allows them to be competitive. I don't think there can be any doubt he can and does do this. Thats his party trick. The issue he has is he is very dislikeable, and he can't do anything other than this.

As for Carlo his record after 18 league games is far better than Koeman and Silva's were. I also think, mid season, hovering by the bottom 3, he inherited a situation that was probably equally perilious and has navigated it well.

There has been disappointments, but the fact we count our disappointments as bad defending in a narrow defeat at Arsenal, and a woeful performance at Chelsea is quite demonstrative of how well he has done.

After 15 games we were in the bottom 3. We were bottom of the league for 2nd half performances. We had not come from behind to win a game in 18 months. There were lots of things wrong about the team, but also lots of real negatives too. Post Silva, mainly under him we have been showing top 4/5 form. It's a significant turnaround. I happen to think we are probably better than we showed under Silva, and have rode our luck a bit under Carlo, and maximised outputs and that probably sums up Carlo to Silva. The performance levels probably haven't changed much, but getting over the line has been much better. A lot of that is avoiding playing a system that ill suits the team.

The 24 games was in reference to how long Allardyce was here, I thought that was obvious. I'd love to reply properly, but now that @blueloon has been promoted to head mod I don't think it's safe so i'll just say again that I hope Gordon plays tonight.

 

[blueloon]

The 24 games was in reference to how long Allardyce was here, I thought that was obvious. I'd love to reply properly, but now that @blueloon has been promoted to head mod I don't think it's safe so i'll just say again that I hope Gordon plays tonight.

Sarcasm hardly becomes you, it was a polite request, which you’ve obviously chosen to ignore, fair enough.

 

[Lanolin]

Sarcasm hardly becomes you, it was a polite request, which you’ve obviously chosen to ignore, fair enough.

I was trying to be polite to the other poster by replying and not ignoring him, I was just joking about you not having a go. At least I had the grace to mention Gordon’s name though, I’ve reported your post for being off topic.

 

[Saint Domingo]

I’m not sure why this has suddenly become a thread dominated by people wishing to write about our managers past and present , the odd off topic post is acceptable but this much , really guys?? Sam Allardyce?? It would really be great if you found another thread to talk about managers and left this one to people who want to talk about Anthony Gordon , cheers.

back on Anthony Gordon. He seems to have The intelligence to drift between the lines and in off the flank. It’s been a while since we’ve had that type of player with pace outwide and can assist. Will be interesting to see how he develops and if he’s tarts tonight.

 

[diggerdestroyer]

Happy that he is getting game time. Would like kean to get similiar time. Either they cut it or dont and only way to find out is play them.

 

[Moomin]

I’m not sure why this has suddenly become a thread dominated by people wishing to write about our managers past and present , the odd off topic post is acceptable but this much , really guys?? Sam Allardyce?? It would really be great if you found another thread to talk about managers and left this one to people who want to talk about Anthony Gordon , cheers.

Playing the ref.

Reported.

 

[DrEFC]

Playing the ref.

Reported.

Playing the ref, about playing the ref.
Reported, banned, IP blocked.
I hope Gordon has a good game tonight, I feel it will be difficult to showcase his talents against a Jose side. Maybe Bernard will get the nod.

 

[catcherintherye]

The 24 games was in reference to how long Allardyce was here, I thought that was obvious. I'd love to reply properly, but now that @blueloon has been promoted to head mod I don't think it's safe so i'll just say again that I hope Gordon plays tonight.

No problems mate, I wasn't having a go over 24 games, just wondered it was from.

I think Gordon is hard to drop, thats for sure. I'm very impressed with him.

 

[KaiserEFC]

Wouldn’t mind seeing him on the left of a front 3, think a change of formation would benefit us tonight.

Cutting in from the left would be nor tee