Be honest

Donald Twain · March 2, 2015

Must check to see if my heads boiled yet.

Goat · March 2, 2015

deipnosophist said:
Some very astute football minds (eg @MoutsGoat ) have a lot of time for Vitor.

Born winner.

b17blg2 · March 2, 2015

Mikey_Fitzgerald · March 2, 2015

chicoazul said:
You were offered Moyes back tomorrow would you take it?

I foresee this thread ending well...

orly · March 2, 2015

MoutsGoat said:

*sobs and laments of the missed opportunity*

Goat · March 2, 2015

orly said:
*sobs and laments of the missed opportunity*

Youve won me over, do you recall why I put you on ignore?

Well anyway, your off now, let that be a lesson to everyone, if you work hard and show talent, you can find yourself off my ignore list.

Librarian · March 2, 2015

"Toffees Stuck with Moyes"

The headline would write itself

Saint Domingo · March 2, 2015

Depends. If it was a choice between Moyes or Martinez I'd have Moyes every single day of every single week. Choice between Moyes and someone else, then it would depend who that someone else is. You only have to look at the vision of the Everton board though. The last two appointments were Preston's manager (extensive search outside of the NW there Bill) and Wigan's manager. Kenwright lucked out on the first one but has been found out on the second. A club our calibre should not be shopping in that market. Spurs were eyeing up LVG and he was ready to go to them. Why can't we aim for a proven name? This is one of the biggest jobs in the premier league and we're the 20th richest club in Europe. There will be managers outside of the NorthWest recently relegated/just promoted catchment who would be interested. Honestly if its a choice between Kenwright finding someone or Moyes. I'd go for Moyes. He's a good manager. Martinez has shown how quickly it could all go wrong at Everton with the wrong managerial appointment and this spineless board refusing to act.

Goat · March 2, 2015

Saint Domingo said:
Depends. If it was a choice between Moyes or Martinez I'd have Moyes every single day of every single week. Choice between Moyes and someone else, then it would depend who that someone else is. You only have to look at the vision of the Everton board though. The last two appointments were Preston's manager (extensive search outside of the NW there Bill) and Wigan's manager. Kenwright lucked out on the first one but has been found out on the second. A club our calibre should not be shopping in that market. Spurs were eyeing up LVG and he was ready to go to them. Why can't we aim for a proven name? This is one of the biggest jobs in the premier league and we're the 20th richest club in Europe. There will be managers outside of the NorthWest recently relegated/just promoted catchment who would be interested. Honestly if its a choice between Kenwright finding someone or Moyes. I'd go for Moyes. He's a good manager. Martinez has shown how quickly it could all go wrong at Everton with the wrong managerial appointment and this spineless board refusing to act.

But Moyes failed.

He turned us around, thats for damn sure, he sent us on the right path, but when the chips were down, he was found wanting.

Moyes isnt the answer, he was then, hes not now.

I was a massive fan of Moyes, but even I lost faith near the end and I would never accept him back, even if I was to ignore his actions after he left, hes simply not the man we need, is Martinez? Currently it looks very unlikely, last season was great, but his lack of action in last Jans transfer window alerted me to the prospect that he might not be the forward thinking, fearless manager I thought.

This season has just been a cluster F of unbalanced sides, zombie tiki taka and some of the most turgid football I have witnessed in a long, long time. Just as I felt that Moyes wasnt getting the best out of a talented side, Martinez is currently doing a much "better" job of making a much better squad fail hard.

All this is cancelled out by winning the Europa tho.

Arteta2391 · March 2, 2015

maybe

orly · March 2, 2015

MoutsGoat said:
Youve won me over, do you recall why I put you on ignore?

Well anyway, your off now, let that be a lesson to everyone, if you work hard and show talent, you can find yourself off my ignore list.

I can't even imagine how many ignore lists I have been on over the years. But I have consistently been in the Team Vitor camp and fond of the Bosnian Brutalist.

GwladysStreetHero · March 4, 2015

Saint Domingo said:
Depends. If it was a choice between Moyes or Martinez I'd have Moyes every single day of every single week. Choice between Moyes and someone else, then it would depend who that someone else is. You only have to look at the vision of the Everton board though. The last two appointments were Preston's manager (extensive search outside of the NW there Bill) and Wigan's manager. Kenwright lucked out on the first one but has been found out on the second. A club our calibre should not be shopping in that market. Spurs were eyeing up LVG and he was ready to go to them. Why can't we aim for a proven name? This is one of the biggest jobs in the premier league and we're the 20th richest club in Europe. There will be managers outside of the NorthWest recently relegated/just promoted catchment who would be interested. Honestly if its a choice between Kenwright finding someone or Moyes. I'd go for Moyes. He's a good manager. Martinez has shown how quickly it could all go wrong at Everton with the wrong managerial appointment and this spineless board refusing to act.

We can't aim for a proven name cos we don't have the funds to buy proven players or potential ones for them

ElGato · March 4, 2015

Actually wondered this t'uther day and couldn't make my mind up. More I think about it though I prefer Bobby's 'brand' of football and would tear me hair out week in week out at Moyes' lump it and see strategies and lack of invention. Still, at least Moyes was a bit more honest and probably has a sterner word or two for the players.

Grill's on and toast is in

blue61 · March 4, 2015

ElGato said:
Actually wondered this t'uther day and couldn't make my mind up. More I think about it though I prefer Bobby's 'brand' of football and would tear me hair out week in week out at Moyes' lump it and see strategies and lack of invention. Still, at least Moyes was a bit more honest and probably has a sterner word or two for the players.

Grill's on and toast is in

The latter day Moyes teams occasionally played a much more exciting brand of togger than the Martinez version of this season. They stunk the place out too mind. Apart from an hour against Arsenal, I've been consistently bored this season at Goodison.