Benitez is a fat whopper

[Nymzee]

 

[JLW]

 

[kenada_blue]

That Digne transfer is proving to be good business. El Ghazi was a mad one, who knows what the hell went on there.

As for 2 in midfield – until a few weeks ago, that's what Lampard was doing as well. We didn't have the players to do anything else.

Was good business looking at long term. Buying 2 young players to blood in is a mark of a functional club. We were not.

Selling a player for £30mill, with injuries, a 13 game losing streak, and buying 2 fullbacks (1 would only play) at the time isn't and wasn't improving his odds.

Lampard changes his system. Benitez never did, he had the same system and put players in to try to fit it. As mentioned...Gomes as a number 10 at one point.

The "didn't have the players" reinforces he should've spend the Digne money to better his employment. I mean...what else was he going to do transfer wise in January if he stayed?

 

[mightymoyes]

Some just dont want to admit they turned the atmosphere around the club sour leading to the mess of last season.

Instead of owning it and holding their hands up they've launched a war that they cannot win against the fans who backed the team regardless of who was in the dugout.

Some of these cats/trolls have even gone a step further and to try cover their tracks have gone balls in deep over the new manager in some desperate attempt to hide their guilt/shame.

We wont forget lad.

good, you should be reminded every day you were happy for us to be relegated.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Is football all about being loved though?

There are plenty of "nice fellas" in football management like Martinez and Silva - Benitez has achieved more in management than the pair of them will ever hope to achieve.

Like Alladyce his personality went against him with our fans from day one likewise Lampard has a lot of credit in the bank for fist pumping and wearing trabs with trousers.

Like politics football has become largely populism, style over substance.

 

[FrenchDarrenBent]

Is football all about being loved though?

There are plenty of "nice fellas" in football management like Martinez and Silva - Benitez has achieved more in management than the pair of them will ever hope to achieve.

Like Alladyce his personality went against him with our fans from day one likewise Lampard has a lot of credit in the bank for fist pumping and wearing trabs with trousers.

Like politics football has become largely populism, style over substance.

Newcastle United news: 'We all want him to stay' - Jamaal Lascelles hopes Rafa Benitez signs new contract | Goal.com

Newcastle United captain Jamaal Lascelles says he hopes the club can keep current boss Rafael Benitez at St James' Park.

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[chrissyjack]

I totally agree with the thread title

 

[barneygumble]

Pretty much the same here. Thought we looked quite decent, there was no toxicity, fans getting behind us.
Then it just unravelled, very very quickly, then his stubbornness was bordering on spite by the end, some of his decisions were unexplainable.


If kopites are laughing that an ex manager of theirs is taking us down and cheering his name. I think it paints a good picture of how terrible he was, because if he was any good and had us playing well, they'd hate him. But they don't, they love him even more, because he was an absolute joke at us.

It always ran the risk didn’t it?

That’s why I was against it. Benitez had nothing to lose on it. If he was successful, then he commands respects from both sides of Merseyside, if he failed then he can just pivot and say what he has done today, that it was “Impossible”.

He couldn’t lose, and that’s why he’ll walk into another job. It was a definitive low point on Everton for me, when we’re sat watching the 4-1 drubbing and they’re all singing his name.

 

[barneygumble]

Newcastle United news: 'We all want him to stay' - Jamaal Lascelles hopes Rafa Benitez signs new contract | Goal.com

Newcastle United captain Jamaal Lascelles says he hopes the club can keep current boss Rafael Benitez at St James' Park.

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Newcastle are literally a club who love a brand.

Easy equivalent is a person turning nose up at a high his coat for £1.99, but splashing £500 on one cause it’s a Balenciaga branded one.

If his name was Tony Pulis, they’d have hated him, without a doubt, like they did with Steve Bruce (who bettered every season Benitez had).

Benitez was very smart in his approach with Newcastle. Find out what Newcastle fans hate, use that to get them and the players on board, repeat it to look like the hero.

 

[Milkman]

Wasn't Sneijder a notoriously lazy trainer though or did I imagine that?

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Newcastle United news: 'We all want him to stay' - Jamaal Lascelles hopes Rafa Benitez signs new contract | Goal.com

Newcastle United captain Jamaal Lascelles says he hopes the club can keep current boss Rafael Benitez at St James' Park.

www.goal.com

Its fair to say Benitez did fail here but a lot of factors went against him in that failure which some like to gloss over.

Dont get me wrong going back to my point on his personality I can see why some players wouldn't like working under him and that's fair enough but in the age of social media / primmadonna modern day players - I think its a big negative in the game that too much emphasis is placed on a manager's personality.

Some argued they didn't want Benitez because of his recent CV at Newcastle/in China but whats Lampard got on his CV? FA Cup final and Play Off defeats?

Ultimately one is liked and given time as they are a cheeky chappy type that "gets us" and the other a more aged, dour presence and their respective tenures are influenced by this in an X Factor / BGT styled view from the terraces.

Silva was another who probably was harshly treated (including by myself) because he was a quiet/boring personality and not a "lively scouser".

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

I don't know really.

I just think last season saw the best and the worst of our fanbase. It felt like we all wanted him to fail from the start so he was never really given a fair chance.

No one wanted him here, but he was given a decent reception to begin with (far FAR better than I thought he'd get, and better than he deserved tbh), and things were fine in the brief period we were doing ok.

But this weird myth that everyone was hounding him out from day 1 (once he got the job) is just not true.

He won 1 game in 14 at the end, with performances getting steadily worse week on week. There's not a manager in the league who would have survived that run.

 

[Nymzee]

Wasn't Sneijder a notoriously lazy trainer though or did I imagine that?

Not sure but he's won the CL so I'd probs listen to him myself.

 

[MACCA75]

If he went to Leicester, with their financial constraints similar to ours, it'd be interesting to see how he'd do without a hostile fanbase

They would hate him because his football is truly dreadful, outdated trash.

Eddie Howe had Newcastle playing 100 times better than Benitez ever did at the back end of last season - (yes he spent money but only Bruno and Trippier had been untypical Newcastle signings, and Trippier was injured).

He’ll categorically never be a success in the Prem again.

 

[ClausThomsen]

Is football all about being loved though?

There are plenty of "nice fellas" in football management like Martinez and Silva - Benitez has achieved more in management than the pair of them will ever hope to achieve.

Like Alladyce his personality went against him with our fans from day one likewise Lampard has a lot of credit in the bank for fist pumping and wearing trabs with trousers.

Like politics football has become largely populism, style over substance.

What Sneijder says isn't all about personality or not being a nice enough guy. He's talking about his abilities as a coach and manager and his insistence on forcing square pegs into round holes. And one of the key things a manager needs to do is show the players they know what they're doing - players don't need to like a manager but they do need to have confidence in a manager's ability - it seems like quite a few at Inter felt he massively lost his way.

Lampard gets credit for putting together what looks to be a coherent and organised team, the rest is irrelevant. I'm one of those who had severe reservations about Lampard as manager but he's changing my mind - and it's nothing to do with gestures to the crowd or footwear choices.