Best UK Prime Minister of last 40 years

[longers]

Thread is not as spicy as I initially thought it might be despite dholidays efforts.

We need Emir to come in and drop a hand grenade in order to liven things up

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Thread is not as spicy as I initially thought it might be despite dholidays efforts.

We need Emir to come in and drop a hand grenade in order to liven things up

People have learnt it’s pointless to argue with someone who counters with readers comments from the mail in response to academic sources. Get more sense having a conversation with my satnav.

 

[Blue 1]

Lord Palmerston

Pitt the Elder

Lord Palmerstone!

 

[coollino]

Thread is not as spicy as I initially thought it might be despite dholidays efforts.

We need Emir to come in and drop a hand grenade in order to liven things up

'Would a Muslim PM have handled the last 40 years better?'

 

[davmaher]

Gordon Brown.

Unfairly took the rap for the worldwide banking collapse. And the woman he called a bigot - he was right, she was a bigot.

If he’d have remained in charge in 2010 we’d be in a lot less grief now.

Gordon Brown was the one who was credited at the time for saving the world financial systems from complete breakdown. The worst aspect of how has been regarded more recently is that the Labour Party adopted the same mantra as the Tories. Milliband and Corbyn let Brown's reputation and the reputation of the administrations he served in get absolutely trashed and did nothing to argue against it, even though the Blair governments he was part of did more on improving education standards and improving hospital waiting times than any other government in my lifetime.

 

[dholliday]

Thread is not as spicy as I initially thought it might be despite dholidays efforts.

Not looking for spice, just objective logic.

I demonstrated earlier Thatcher is generally seen as the best post-war PM, but is hated by a minority of tory-hating Brits...a faction which is over-represented on this fine forum, hence her lack of votes here.

After that, the debate doesn't have much room left to move, unless some feel like reconsidering their view on Maggie?

People have learnt it’s pointless to argue with someone who counters with readers comments from the mail in response to academic sources.

Odd thing to say, seen as i'm normally the one who makes the effort to link academic sources.

The reader comment thing is an argument that online-comments should be treated with similar reverence as opinion polls (the kind of polls which often get linked on here to support a particular position).

'Would a Muslim PM have handled the last 40 years better?'

The Conservative Party, despite the hate (projection) it receives from many on here, has a lot to be proud of:

1) regularly supported by the majority of voters, with the last election being a massive win. Honoring the people's will to formally leave the EU is surely something to be celebrated by those who normally don't trust politicians.

2) been in power for 30 of the last 43 years...a clear mandate from the people that they are the favoured party.

3) in contrast to the [fake]woke Labour: have had female leaders with a minimum of fuss, and currently host a leadership contest with the most racially-diverse set of contenders in European history - as well as already having the most diverse Cabinet in history - and all with no hype or forced agenda to do so (as it should be).

And not just diversity-of-background, but also of ideas. The Tory Party offer voters an almost full spectrum of ideas from the Left (Sunak's furlough is patently socialist, Mordaunt is pro-trans, Boris's pro-Ukraine policies) to the populist Right, and everything in-between. Whereas Labour often give voters the impression their ideas are rigidly set in ideological stone. Hence their often losing elections.


The attempt on here to objectively argue that a Labour PM was superior to any Tory PM these last 40 years just isn't supported by the facts of the last few General Elections. For if those Labour leaders were really that much [objectively] better, we would have had more Labour PM's to choose from.

Famously, even Tony Blair had to rebrand Labour as tory-lite (aka New Labour) to be able to win. As soon as a more traditional Labour Leader had a crack (Brown) the public lost interest.


So either the majority of the British public are consistently wrong...or the minority are.



This thread touched upon this particular GOT-phenomenon:

https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/are-the-tories-unfairly-maligned.101939/

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Not looking for spice, just objective logic.

I demonstrated earlier Thatcher is generally seen as the best post-war PM, but is hated by a minority of tory-hating Brits...a faction which is over-represented on this fine forum, hence her lack of votes here.

After that, the debate doesn't have much room left to move, unless some feel like reconsidering their view on Maggie?



Odd thing to say, seen as i'm normally the one who makes the effort to link academic sources.

The reader comment thing is an argument that online-comments should be treated with similar reverence as opinion polls (the kind of polls which often get linked on here to support a particular position).



The Conservative Party, despite the hate (projection) it receives from many on here, has a lot to be proud of:

1) regularly supported by the majority of voters, with the last election being a massive win. Honoring the people's will to formally leave the EU is surely something to be celebrated by those who normally don't trust politicians.

2) been in power for 30 of the last 43 years...a clear mandate from the people that they are the favoured party.

3) in contrast to the [fake]woke Labour: have had female leaders with a minimum of fuss, and currently host a leadership contest with the most racially-diverse set of contenders in European history - as well as already having the most diverse Cabinet in history - and all with no hype or forced agenda to do so (as it should be).

And not just diversity-of-background, but also of ideas. The Tory Party offer voters an almost full spectrum of ideas from the Left (Sunak's furlough is patently socialist, Mordaunt is pro-trans, Boris's pro-Ukraine policies) to the populist Right, and everything in-between. Whereas Labour often give voters the impression their ideas are rigidly set in ideological stone. Hence their often losing elections.


The attempt on here to objectively argue that a Labour PM was superior to any Tory PM these last 40 years just isn't supported by the facts of the last few General Elections. For if those Labour leaders were really that much [objectively] better, we would have had more Labour PM's to choose from.

Famously, even Tony Blair had to rebrand Labour as tory-lite (aka New Labour) to be able to win. As soon as a more traditional Labour Leader had a crack (Brown) the public lost interest.


So either the majority of the British public are consistently wrong...or the minority are.



This thread touched upon this particular GOT-phenomenon:

https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/are-the-tories-unfairly-maligned.101939/

you got banned from CA for promoting horse ointment to treat covid

 

[Charro]

Not looking for spice, just objective logic.

I demonstrated earlier Thatcher is generally seen as the best post-war PM, but is hated by a minority of tory-hating Brits...a faction which is over-represented on this fine forum, hence her lack of votes here.

After that, the debate doesn't have much room left to move, unless some feel like reconsidering their view on Maggie?



Odd thing to say, seen as i'm normally the one who makes the effort to link academic sources.

The reader comment thing is an argument that online-comments should be treated with similar reverence as opinion polls (the kind of polls which often get linked on here to support a particular position).



The Conservative Party, despite the hate (projection) it receives from many on here, has a lot to be proud of:

1) regularly supported by the majority of voters, with the last election being a massive win. Honoring the people's will to formally leave the EU is surely something to be celebrated by those who normally don't trust politicians.

2) been in power for 30 of the last 43 years...a clear mandate from the people that they are the favoured party.

3) in contrast to the [fake]woke Labour: have had female leaders with a minimum of fuss, and currently host a leadership contest with the most racially-diverse set of contenders in European history - as well as already having the most diverse Cabinet in history - and all with no hype or forced agenda to do so (as it should be).

And not just diversity-of-background, but also of ideas. The Tory Party offer voters an almost full spectrum of ideas from the Left (Sunak's furlough is patently socialist, Mordaunt is pro-trans, Boris's pro-Ukraine policies) to the populist Right, and everything in-between. Whereas Labour often give voters the impression their ideas are rigidly set in ideological stone. Hence their often losing elections.


The attempt on here to objectively argue that a Labour PM was superior to any Tory PM these last 40 years just isn't supported by the facts of the last few General Elections. For if those Labour leaders were really that much [objectively] better, we would have had more Labour PM's to choose from.

Famously, even Tony Blair had to rebrand Labour as tory-lite (aka New Labour) to be able to win. As soon as a more traditional Labour Leader had a crack (Brown) the public lost interest.


So either the majority of the British public are consistently wrong...or the minority are.



This thread touched upon this particular GOT-phenomenon:

https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/are-the-tories-unfairly-maligned.101939/

Last three tory prime ministers have either been ousted by the party or had to resign with immediate effect.

The last one before them lost in a landslide, Thatcher was eventually ousted after countless attempts, before Thatcher we had Ted Heath and the power cuts with the three day working week.

No tory Prime minister has been a good PM. They don't believe in the state, which in turn means the public sector is left to rot, meaning our public services collapse, inflation rises, we go into recession, hit mass unemployment and the economy tanks whilst them and their mates share out the profits.

That is what happens under tory rule and all the evidence is there to prove it.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

Brown - called a woman a bigot when he thought he was off mic

Cameron- launched a strategic assault on the most poor and vulnerable on society before calling a referendum on the most important vote in a generation with no planning put in place in the event of the vote going the way he doesn’t intend.

Pretty close tbh

Let's face it, Brown wasn't wrong was he? Bet she was all over the Brexit out vote chuntering about immigrants and the good old days.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

you got banned from CA for promoting horse ointment to treat covid

Have we got a choice quote in support of that particular piece of wisdom?

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Let's face it, Brown wasn't wrong was he? Bet she was all over the Brexit out vote chuntering about immigrants and the good old days.

Should have said it to her face before getting her in a headlock.

 

[dholliday]

you got banned from CA for promoting horse ointment to treat covid

Wrong on both counts:

1) i wasn't "promoting horse ointment to treat covid", i was linking academic sources (note: not 'reader-comments') which showed promise that an established Nobel-prize-winning human medicine may be able to treat Covid symptoms.

There is an interesting subset of posters who consistently equate this medicine with "horses"...as a means to instantly dismiss it. This is the kind of almost-automated opinion which inspired the NPC meme.


2) i was banned from CA for another reason, which i think is fair and acceptable.


Fancy a spicy debate? Tackle some of my points, maybe your counter-argument is stronger. I'm interested to find out x

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Have we got a choice quote in support of that particular piece of wisdom?

Quoting from CA forum isn’t allowed.

He also advised to lick Joe Rogan’s forehead sweat to avoid 7 years bad luck if you break a mirror.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Wrong on both counts:

1) i wasn't "promoting horse ointment to treat covid", i was linking academic sources (note: not 'reader-comments') which showed promise that an established Nobel-prize-winning human medicine may be able to treat Covid symptoms.

There is an interesting subset of posters who consistently equate this medicine with "horses"...as a means to instantly dismiss it. This is the kind of almost-automated opinion which inspired the NPC meme.


2) i was banned from CA for another reason, which i think is fair and acceptable.


Fancy a spicy debate? Tackle some of my points, maybe your counter-argument is stronger. I'm interested to find out x

Pretty sure it was the horse ointment you quack

 

[dholliday]

Last three tory prime ministers have either been ousted by the party or had to resign with immediate effect.

The last one before them lost in a landslide, Thatcher was eventually ousted after countless attempts, before Thatcher we had Ted Heath and the power cuts with the three day working week.

No tory Prime minister has been a good PM. They don't believe in the state, which in turn means the public sector is left to rot, meaning our public services collapse, inflation rises, we go into recession, hit mass unemployment and the economy tanks whilst them and their mates share out the profits.

That is what happens under tory rule and all the evidence is there to prove it.

Thanks for a decent reply

I disagree tho' that the Tories don't believe in the State...what else was furlough if not belief in that?