Bigotry in football

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

An interesting diversion from another thread - a poster highlights issues of bigotry in football. Looks a fair set of points to me (note edited slightly):

Because let's face it. We are here for football. A game entrenched in bigotry. From it's time banning women playing. This only lasted what 50 years+???

For black players the history of the game is chanting monkey songs in the stands (Goodison included) and throwing banana's on the pitch (Goodison included). No black managers, no black refs, no black boardroom members. "Normal" view on taking the knee was dismissive and didn't help the games view on racism and actually has made it worse.

No gay premier league footballers at all!! In today's game (2024) not one!! And the last top flight British football that came out killed himself

Only yesterday the video released of the Argentinian national football team (unless the the whole team is not "normal"?) chanted racist and transphobic language towards towards the French team and Kylian Mbappe (who is reported to be in a relationship which a trans women) though he won't come out due to the football community and their "normal" views.

Fair critique? What can we, as a football community, do about it?

 

[dublinbluenose]

An interesting diversion from another thread - a poster highlights issues of bigotry in football. Looks a fair set of points to me (note edited slightly):



Fair critique? What can we, as a football community, do about it?

Until the custodians of the game take it seriously then it'll continue. Relegate clubs who's fans continue to be racist/sectarian/homophonic etc and ban National teams from tournaments. Only way to stop it.

 

[summerisle]

An interesting diversion from another thread - a poster highlights issues of bigotry in football. Looks a fair set of points to me (note edited slightly):



Fair critique? What can we, as a football community, do about it?

There's no 'football community' as such ; they'll get a piddling fine and it'll all be forgotten about next month - c.f. Uefa fining clubs every season a few thousand Euros for racist chants. In actuality it's just a lip service.

 

[Sean Ashley]

An interesting diversion from another thread - a poster highlights issues of bigotry in football. Looks a fair set of points to me (note edited slightly):



Fair critique? What can we, as a football community, do about it?

We have start talking about. Proper punishments handed down to individuals, clubs, and even leagues that are involved in these incidents.

The whole Argentinian national squad should be suspended up until December for them chants. They should be forced to make a public apology video stating that racism and transphobia have no place in sport. And donate a proportion of their week's salary to charities that tackle these issues in sport.

You can't have footballers banned for months for placing a few bets. But outright racism and transphobia brushed under the rug.

If people don't want this being in the thread. Then start a new one about this incident.


Edit: It's all about public pressure if you don't force their hand. Nothing will ever be done about it.

 

[stipe]

An interesting diversion from another thread - a poster highlights issues of bigotry in football. Looks a fair set of points to me (note edited slightly):



Fair critique? What can we, as a football community, do about it?

Football is just excuse, old hate still exists in Europe and wider, racist, nationalistic, sectarian whatever. It just some pretend better and some bother not pretending at all.
When we played against Albania entire stadium was singing "kill the Serb", nobody done anything (i guess Serbs are not popular enough for anyone to care).
Just one example of course, but hate like that will never go away.

 

[Lobworm]

Football is merely a reflection of wider society. One only has to look at the sneering comments made about the women's game in this country even despite their massive success.

Bigotry based on skin colour, race, religion and gender is normalised in the UK. Our political 'leaders' and so called 'free' press could properly call it out, but they choose not to do so.

 

[stipe]

Football is merely a reflection of wider society. One only has to look at the sneering comments made about the women's game in this country even despite their massive success.

Bigotry based on skin colour, race, religion and gender is normalised in the UK. Our political 'leaders' and so called 'free' press could properly call it out, but they choose not to do so.

Argentina in general is on whole another level, they literally calling themselves "European country" and openly looking down on other South Americans.

Their president said few years ago. "The Mexicans came from the Indians, the Brazilians came from the jungle, but we Argentines came from boats, and they were boats that came from Europe".

 

[Rita_Poon]

An interesting diversion from another thread - a poster highlights issues of bigotry in football. Looks a fair set of points to me (note edited slightly):

Fair critique? What can we, as a football community, do about it?

Why isolate just football? How many openly gay rugby players are there at top flight level? cricket, basketball, water polo? Cricket recently dragged itself through the mud regards entrenched racism. I struggle to grasp that there are no black or minority board room members at any top flight club. And I'm (sadly) old enough to still be haunted by memories of Uriah Rennie making a mockery of the refereeing of games (alongside other such inept characters like david elleray and graham poll).
Some of us 'normal' types are also much supportive of the taking the knee, not least because there's quite a few of 'us' that want, expect and demand the law to apply to the pigs like it does everyone else (apparently).
[Want some bigger fish to fry? The Casey report has been referenced repeatedly. "The Metropolitan police is broken and rotten, suffering collapsing public trust and is guilty of institutional racism, misogyny and homophobia, an official report has said." The report also found them 'institutionally corrupt', but they fought this part tooth and nail whilst accepting the rest.]
You see, when the establishment enable and protect such a unit of criminals, what chance does society have? Our fair city has suffered plenty at the hands of injustice by these two entities.
As for international sporting sides, let's get the behaviours and attitudes of those representing the UK up to scratch before we go casting judgement elsewhere. You know, 'get your own house in order' so to speak.

Turning up on a football forum and selecting an account or two to drop these issues at the feet of seems somewhat odd, almost agenda driven. No one person can be held to account for society and it's many ills. Camera's recently recorded some moron jamming key ends of talcum powder or sherbert up his schnozz live on tv in the stands at the euro's, purportedly an england fan. People are thick, they do and say stupid things, and the attitudes of society move glacially slowly, but they do move, and the bigotry and fear expressed towards the gay community in the 80's is now thankfully a thing of the past.
Again, attitudes move slowly, with education and knowledge slowly comes acceptance and respect.

"What can we, as a football community, do about it?" call it out when it's seen, humiliate the unrepentant, and if there's someone at the ground breaking the law, get them turfed out and hopefully banned. "The price of freedom is eternal vigilance".

 

[Lobworm]

Argentina in general is on whole another level, they literally calling themselves "European country" and openly looking down on other South Americans.

Their president said few years ago. "The Mexicans came from the Indians, the Brazilians came from the jungle, but we Argentines came from boats, and they were boats that came from Europe".

I don't know too much about bigotry in other countries mate, except what I've seen on msm. I think we were getting on top of it here until the last decade, and whilst it was nowhere near perfect, the 'anti-woke' brigade have helped fan the flames and taken us backwards.

 

[DualityNSNO]

Football is just excuse, old hate still exists in Europe and wider, racist, nationalistic, sectarian whatever. It just some pretend better and some bother not pretending at all.
When we played against Albania entire stadium was singing "kill the Serb", nobody done anything (i guess Serbs are not popular enough for anyone to care).
Just one example of course, but hate like that will never go away.

None of us are popular unless we're the punching bag, really, and we get punished more often than some "big" countries in National/European club tournaments.

However, I also think it's justified in a lot of cases - we both know exactly how bad both (our Bulgarians and your Serbians) sets of fans are, and there are reasons these chants happen. Any normal country will probably report and provide evidence so punishment is due, but you guys pretended you're innocent:

"We were punished for isolated cases and our fans behaved much better than the others.
"One fan was punished for racist insults and we don’t want it to be attributed to others. We Serbs are gentlemen and we have an open heart."

Then proceeded to chant "Kosovo je Srbija" literally afterwards, so this open heart is open unless you're Kosovan or Albanian, cool. You can't have it both ways like

I'm not saying this to attack you or anything - Bulgaria is actively trying to outdo everyone for being the worst in many ways - but we know what a big part of our supporters are knobheads that are there with some mentality that it's still the 80s and we're fighting in the stadium all the time or something. If anything we've weaponised them to take down parts of the FA by essentially banning ourselves on purpose, that's how crap we are
Also with the above quote - I know it's some wild BS because our idiots have the same "holier than thou" approach. "Racism? No, you're racist if you think about it, we have no problems with racism!"
Literally hours after this interview:

And monkey noises, etc., the works.

 

[Kurt.]

Chop all trees down… no bigger tree simple

 

[Sean Ashley]

Why isolate just football? How many openly gay rugby players are there at top flight level? cricket, basketball, water polo? Cricket recently dragged itself through the mud regards entrenched racism. I struggle to grasp that there are no black or minority board room members at any top flight club. And I'm (sadly) old enough to still be haunted by memories of Uriah Rennie making a mockery of the refereeing of games (alongside other such inept characters like david elleray and graham poll).
Some of us 'normal' types are also much supportive of the taking the knee, not least because there's quite a few of 'us' that want, expect and demand the law to apply to the pigs like it does everyone else (apparently).
[Want some bigger fish to fry? The Casey report has been referenced repeatedly. "The Metropolitan police is broken and rotten, suffering collapsing public trust and is guilty of institutional racism, misogyny and homophobia, an official report has said." The report also found them 'institutionally corrupt', but they fought this part tooth and nail whilst accepting the rest.]
You see, when the establishment enable and protect such a unit of criminals, what chance does society have? Our fair city has suffered plenty at the hands of injustice by these two entities.
As for international sporting sides, let's get the behaviours and attitudes of those representing the UK up to scratch before we go casting judgement elsewhere. You know, 'get your own house in order' so to speak.

Turning up on a football forum and selecting an account or two to drop these issues at the feet of seems somewhat odd, almost agenda driven. No one person can be held to account for society and it's many ills. Camera's recently recorded some moron jamming key ends of talcum powder or sherbert up his schnozz live on tv in the stands at the euro's, purportedly an england fan. People are thick, they do and say stupid things, and the attitudes of society move glacially slowly, but they do move, and the bigotry and fear expressed towards the gay community in the 80's is now thankfully a thing of the past.
Again, attitudes move slowly, with education and knowledge slowly comes acceptance and respect.

"What can we, as a football community, do about it?" call it out when it's seen, humiliate the unrepentant, and if there's someone at the ground breaking the law, get them turfed out and hopefully banned. "The price of freedom is eternal vigilance".

You are right elite male sportsmen struggle greatly to come out across all spectrums of sport. I levelled my case for Football as this is a football forum.

I couldn't see the refereeing bodies using Uriah Rennie performances from two decades ago as a benchmark and really shouldn't be a topic of discussion. Especially when John Moss, Clattenburg and others where never fit for purpose and done far more damage to the reputation of the game.

It's not an agenda, just because I'm voicing the reality of life people face in day to day life (If people can say it for Ukraine and Palestine why can't I say it against prejudice).

A thing of the past phase isn't true and as I mentioned the Argentinian national team proved it. You are right the glaciers do move slow and I'll continue to voice my views and show up at events until society is finally accepting in all areas of the globe.

 

[Brett Angell Delight]

There’s no appetite from the real powers in the game to do anything about it, beyond token gestures and hollow slogans.

They know the proportion of “typical footy fans” that are horrible bigots is far higher than anyone would care to admit, and to take any real action would take a chunk out of revenues in the immediate term, even if it could actually boost them down the line when everyone else feels safer attending games.

Read a great article a little while ago about the chalk and cheese difference in the atmosphere among crowds at women’s games vs those at men’s.

Of course, you can never get more than a sentence or two into a real conversation about appropriate punishments for bigots and hooligans before the old “keep politics out of football” retort is chucked at you.

Burn it all down. Once Everton are liquidated I’ll probably just take up knitting or whatever anyway.

 

[Rita_Poon]

You are right elite male sportsmen struggle greatly to come out across all spectrums of sport. I levelled my case for Football as this is a football forum.

I couldn't see the refereeing bodies using Uriah Rennie performances from two decades ago as a benchmark and really shouldn't be a topic of discussion. Especially when John Moss, Clattenburg and others where never fit for purpose and done far more damage to the reputation of the game.

It's not an agenda, just because I'm voicing the reality of life people face in day to day life (If people can say it for Ukraine and Palestine why can't I say it for prejudice).

A thing of the past phase isn't true and as I mentioned the Argentinian national team proved it. You are right the glaciers do move slow and I'll continue to voice my views and show up at events until society is finally accepting in all areas of the globe.

Forgive me, I find your style of presenting your side somewhat combative, and not necessarily conducive to the ends that you seek. For such an important subject re acceptance and respect for all, I would have thought a more understanding and thoughtful and kinder means of addressing your complaint might win you more support. But that's just me, like I said, please forgive my view.

[Also, I'd ban the argentina side and take their recent trophy, they'll not be welcome at the next world cup. And I'm fully aware of where the last world cup was hosted and the backwards money driven decision to allow those human rights abusers the blue ribbon event they were gifted*.]

 

[Sean Ashley]

Forgive me, I find your style of presenting your side somewhat combative, and not necessarily conducive to the ends that you seek. For such an important subject re acceptance and respect for all, I would have thought a more understanding and thoughtful and kinder means of addressing your complaint might win you more support. But that's just me, like I said, please forgive my view.

[Also, I'd ban the argentina side and take their recent trophy, they'll not be welcome at the next world cup. And I'm fully aware of where the last world cup was hosted and the backwards money driven decision to allow those human rights abusers the blue ribbon event they were gifted*.]

You can understand since I started talking about these issues. How frustrating it can be when the issues at hand are not discussed and either satire or mockery of myself (which includes being called agenda driven/druggie/fan of rape/tit/deluded/lacks comprehension etc) that my style can be a little more combative.

Anyway draw a line under the sand.

I do agree the book should be thrown at the Argentina, but I can't see much more than a few individuals banned for 6/12 games and fines. Even though seeing the Trophy removed would be funny. I can only see that fuelling the beast. Banning them for the next Copa and world cup is a good suggestion.