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2019/20 Bill Kenwright

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Paulie said:
Who was True Blue Holdings?

Is that because we pretty much killed balls knees off?

Funny a lot of these young players wanting to leave isn't it despite being offered record contracts.

When Kenwright took over I remember him saying we don't have to sell our young players or that he had a plan. In all of his tenure I'm not sure what his plan was apart from keeping our heads above water and playing the plucky underdog.
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True Blue Holdings was a combined group. You know this though.

Dunne and Ball were forced out as they were a bad influence, it had nothing to do with Kenwright. Rooney was always going to go and handed a transfer request in as did Jeffers. Who else did we sell? Rodwell?

Coming in the top 10 pretty much most years under his reign is not being a plucky underdog or keeping our heads above water, that's your narrative, not his.

He has been fine. Not wonderful but all it needs is a cursory look around the leagues to see that his reign was kind of OK.
 
blue61 said:
That was part of my point though Kurt, Manure appointed Fergie in 86 early in the euro ban, backed him and reaped the rewards. We didn't have the financial klout or vision to do that and wasted a massive opportunity to stay at the top. The Moores millions had all been frittered away by then.
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The team who benefited most from the ban was actually Liverpool.

They were already the big team in England so they still had that draw for players regardless of the ban. The likes of us lost our best players who wanted to play in Europe yet they still kept signing the best domestic talent because they could.
 
Papa Shango said:
The team who benefited most from the ban was actually Liverpool.

They were already the big team in England so they still had that draw for players regardless of the ban. The likes of us lost our best players who wanted to play in Europe yet they still kept signing the best domestic talent because they could.
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Can't disagree with that, but a well run club with ambition would have had a longer vision and moved hell and high water to keep the structure in place to build on what had been acheived.
 

Papa Shango said:
True Blue Holdings was a combined group. You know this though.

Dunne and Ball were forced out as they were a bad influence, it had nothing to do with Kenwright. Rooney was always going to go and handed a transfer request in as did Jeffers. Who else did we sell? Rodwell?

Coming in the top 10 pretty much most years under his reign is not being a plucky underdog or keeping our heads above water, that's your narrative, not his.

He has been fine. Not wonderful but all it needs is a cursory look around the leagues to see that his reign was kind of OK.
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Bad influence ha ha. No coincidence then that Walter Smith got rid of all the young players coming through. And bought in a bunch of players in their 30’s and over the hill.

Ball was a brilliant young talent. And one of the best kids I’ve seen come through in my 40yrs of watching Everton.
The rumour I heard was he was offered only 15k a week. While 30yr old Kevin Campbell was given 35k and a 5yr deal. Another Kenwright master stroke.
 
Papa Shango said:
Is it any more odd then blaming him for stuff that happened before he was chairman and after Moshiri took over?
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No let’s stick to the many cock ups he made before Moshiri came. Although I’d wager he had a big hand in bringing Wayne Rooney back to the club, aplayerbwell past his prime on huge wages, and he is still chairman so he is still getting his spoke in now.
 
Stephenlloyd said:
Bad influence ha ha. No coincidence then that Walter Smith got rid of all the young players coming through. And bought in a bunch of players in their 30’s and over the hill.

Ball was a brilliant young talent. And one of the best kids I’ve seen come through in my 40yrs of watching Everton.
The rumour I heard was he was offered only 15k a week. While 30yr old Kevin Campbell was given 35k and a 5yr deal. Another Kenwright master stroke.
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Campbell deserved every single penny he got from us. He saved us from oblivion.

Ball was a managerial choice, made before he was the chairman for a player who never ended up amounting to much anyway! It's an incredibly weird thing to put on Kenwright.

Why would Kenwright tell Smith to buy a load of over the hill footballers on big wages when you are saying he was also responsible for selling young players to make money. Surely if this was the case he would want him to buy cheap young players who we could then sell off for huge profits? It makes zero sense.

He backed his manager in his decisions which is the right thing to do (even if it was the wrong manager) our manager has always had complete control under him.

Kenwright HAS made mistakes, you do need to make things up to make it worse.

Here is the thing though, its like I am a Kenwright fan or something, I'm not really, I just don't think he is anywhere near as bad as some make out and I think it makes is look a bit silly saying he is. You only have to look around elsewhere to see what a bad chairman/owner is like. He was a solid 6 out for 10 for me.
 
Papa Shango said:
Campbell deserved every single penny he got from us. He saved us from oblivion.

Ball was a managerial choice, made before he was the chairman for a player who never ended up amounting to much anyway! It's an incredibly weird thing to put on Kenwright.

Why would Kenwright tell Smith to buy a load of over the hill footballers on big wages when you are saying he was also responsible for selling young players to make money. Surely if this was the case he would want him to buy cheap young players who we could then sell off for huge profits? It makes zero sense.

He backed his manager in his decisions which is the right thing to do (even if it was the wrong manager) our manager has always had complete control under him.

Kenwright HAS made mistakes, you do need to make things up to make it worse.

Here is the thing though, its like I am a Kenwright fan or something, I'm not really, I just don't think he is anywhere near as bad as some make out and I think it makes is look a bit silly saying he is. You only have to look around elsewhere to see what a bad chairman/owner is like. He was a solid 6 out for 10 for me.
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I was making a point about you saying ball being a bad influence, you’re making things up there mate.

As for Campbell, maybe he deserved 35k a week, but not a 5yr deal imo. And Kenwright would have been involved in the negotiations. He ended up paying about 25 games a season and averaging 1 goal in 3.5 games So it proved to be, not a great deal for the club in the end.
 

Stephenlloyd said:
I was making a point about you saying ball being a bad influence, you’re making things up there mate.

As for Campbell, maybe he deserved 35k a week, but not a 5yr deal imo. And Kenwright would have been involved in the negotiations. He ended up paying about 25 games a season and averaging 1 goal in 3.5 games So it proved to be, not a great deal for the club in the end.
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If he hadn’t have offered him that though he may have gone somewhere else. And he proved vital.
 
Stephenlloyd said:
I was making a point about you saying ball being a bad influence, you’re making things up there mate.

As for Campbell, maybe he deserved 35k a week, but not a 5yr deal imo. And Kenwright would have been involved in the negotiations. He ended up paying about 25 games a season and averaging 1 goal in 3.5 games So it proved to be, not a great deal for the club in the end.
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To be honest this isnt a stick you can beat Bill with, compared to what Moshiri has blown just ro take us backwards, paying KC is nothing.
 
Cameron Manning said:
No let’s stick to the many cock ups he made before Moshiri came. Although I’d wager he had a big hand in bringing Wayne Rooney back to the club, aplayerbwell past his prime on huge wages, and he is still chairman so he is still getting his spoke in now.
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Does chairman mean his vote counts for more than the other 4 board members?
 
Stephenlloyd said:
I was making a point about you saying ball being a bad influence, you’re making things up there mate.

As for Campbell, maybe he deserved 35k a week, but not a 5yr deal imo. And Kenwright would have been involved in the negotiations. He ended up paying about 25 games a season and averaging 1 goal in 3.5 games So it proved to be, not a great deal for the club in the end.
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Kevin Campbell almost single handedly saved us from certain relegation that year.

He was our first non white captain.

He single handedly got rid of the Everton are a racist club tag and made it acceptable for non white players to sign for us.

He was worth every penny and more of his contract.

He should have a statue next to Dixie.

Fight me.
 

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