Bill Kenwright

[Moonlight dribbler]

How many times are people gonna spout this rubbish?

"Until Walter Smith stepped in" lol Do you honestly believe that somehow the recently sacked manager overruled the majority shareholder and Chairman?

Did Bill listen to the opinion of somebody he respected? Yes.

Is Moshiri criticized for listening to the wrong people? Can we criticise both? Bit hypocritical, isn't it? The fact Bill listened to the opinion of somebody who knew more about football than Bill ever will is not something to criticise him for. If anything, it deserves massive praise.

Trying to paint it as Bill was overruled is just plain wrong., and quite frankly laughable. Bill gave the managers job to Moyes. Nobody else.

The idea that Gary Megson was on his shortlist is the part that horrifies me. I agree that he had the sense to appoint Moyes, but he has 33 years of decline on his CV as a Director. The day he arrived as a director, Everton had 9 league titles, Man Utd had 8.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Would I swap our current situation for Moyes and no money? Yea, probably. But Moyes left, he wasn't fired.
Ancelotti also left.
Of all the fired managers, Allardyce is the only one who was doing well but he somehow managed to drain any ounce of entertainment from the game.
Lampard has inherited a dogs dinner of a squad and in brief moments I can see what he's trying to do. I could swap it for Allardyce but Allardyce would eventually get run out of the club and be replaced by god knows who because the chairman has either no clue or no say.

For me, Benitez was the biggest screw up and if Kenwright didn't support his appointment, he should have had the balls to walk.
He was complicit and he bears a large chunk of responsibility for where we are today.

At some point fans have to accept where we are rather than where we would like to be.

We have been a mid table side for the best part of 8 years now. Started with Martinez second season and finished with ancelotti in 10th. I know we all want better but the fact is, there isn't much difference between us and west ham , palace, Southampton in terms of level. We clearly haven't bought anyone to improve that and the ones we have recently were chased out the club by benitez.

The damage Steve Walsh did to this club is unprecedented. The damage benitez did to this team will relegate us.

I mean, yeah we'd all take mid-table mediocrity and stability over what we've got right now obviously, but it's hardly something we should aspire to want for the club long term. Moyes left us for a better opportunity precisely because he wanted more then that. No manager, no matter how much they love (or claim to love) the club will ever stick with us for the long hull if that's all we aspire to be. We'll be a stepping stone for players and managers looking to better themselves. That's not good enough for Everton football club and anyone who thinks otherwise has been brainwashed by Kenwright and his acolytes. Just existing in a state of perpetual mid-table mediocrity with no chance of ever improving all to make money for people like Kenwright and nothing else isn't all that much better then what we've got now.

We are a mid table team, 500 million spent or not. Mid table should he bare minimum we finish every season, with the point of the recruitment and manager hire to take us further.

The reason we aren't any better off all these years later is simply down to the player recruitment. Palace showed last summer as an example how easy it is to improve your team, West ham have shown it also. Southampton show what a good manager does to a team.

The fact we have never bought for the manager and quite clearly bought in spite of them is why the squad is in such the mess it is. The loyalty we show players from the kenwright era is why we have half a squad that have played for 4/5/6 managers at this point and never improved.

If we finished mid table next season then it would clearly be a big improvement on this year. But we would be right back to where we started when moshiri arrived , attempting to reverse the damage. What we need to do is reset the club. Have said it for years and it still remains true now. We need to ship out this entire squad and replace it, a few players can be kept but the rest of it needs to go. We need to remove the culture , the old Everton and we need to build what lampard wants.

Otherwise we continue the cycle and we repeat this season, despite this being potentially the final one anyway.

 

[Ruairi77]

At some point fans have to accept where we are rather than where we would like to be.

We have been a mid table side for the best part of 8 years now. Started with Martinez second season and finished with ancelotti in 10th. I know we all want better but the fact is, there isn't much difference between us and west ham , palace, Southampton in terms of level. We clearly haven't bought anyone to improve that and the ones we have recently were chased out the club by benitez.

I'm 45. I cant remember a time not supporting Everton. Vague memories of the mid 80's, clearer memories of the 90's. There were good and bad times but there was always the slight hope that maybe we could turn things around and win the league again some day.

I think for me, that feeling went away after the cup loss to chelsea in '09. It was clear that Kenwright was happy with his lot, happy with moyes and his ability to keep the club somewhat relevant. You just knew that after that cup defeat, nothing would change. The premier league was already awash with money and somehow bill couldn't get investment. Now it's clear that he couldn't get investment because he had some large disqualifying conditions.

I think what saddens me the most is the size of the fan base that still seems to have his back. They've drank the cool aid and with them, it always seems to be someone else's fault, from Kirkby to now, it's never Bills fault. And until that changes, nothing at the club will change.

He belongs in the history books with the likes of Doug Ellis and Ken Bates.

 

[Dublin blue 75]

The fact we have never bought for the manager and quite clearly bought in spite of them is why the squad is in such the mess it is. The loyalty we show players from the kenwright era is why we have half a squad that have played for 4/5/6 managers at this point and never improved.

This all day long. Thank you.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I'm 45. I cant remember a time not supporting Everton. Vague memories of the mid 80's, clearer memories of the 90's. There were good and bad times but there was always the slight hope that maybe we could turn things around and win the league again some day.

I think for me, that feeling went away after the cup loss to chelsea in '09. It was clear that Kenwright was happy with his lot, happy with moyes and his ability to keep the club somewhat relevant. You just knew that after that cup defeat, nothing would change. The premier league was already awash with money and somehow bill couldn't get investment. Now it's clear that he couldn't get investment because he had some large disqualifying conditions.

I think what saddens me the most is the size of the fan base that still seems to have his back. They've drank the cool aid and with them, it always seems to be someone else's fault, from Kirkby to now, it's never Bills fault. And until that changes, nothing at the club will change.

He belongs in the history books with the likes of Doug Ellis and Ken Bates.

Let me put a question to you (and to others reading)

We know Moyes over achieved (without achieving anything) with very little money. We had a squad made up of cast offs and square pegs even years after he arrived. When Moyes arrived , we were nowhere, kept alive by Smith but ultimately bringing in the likes of ginola , gazza and Hughes at the end of their careers.

So the question is..... Is the sentiment for bill kenwright solely based around the achievements of the manager, which was a huge gamble at the time?

Especially given that even Moyes had us 17th in his second season here, such was the state of the squad.

 

[Carlito]

Let me put a question to you (and to others reading)

We know Moyes over achieved (without achieving anything) with very little money. We had a squad made up of cast offs and square pegs even years after he arrived. When Moyes arrived , we were nowhere, kept alive by Smith but ultimately bringing in the likes of ginola , gazza and Hughes at the end of their careers.

So the question is..... Is the sentiment for bill kenwright solely based around the achievements of the manager, which was a huge gamble at the time?

Especially given that even Moyes had us 17th in his second season here, such was the state of the squad.

He's been dining out on not being Peter Johnson for 20+ years.

 

[Daytripper]

The day he was applauded on the screen against Aston Villa , whilst I respected people’s rights to do so, I couldn’t help but feel a little bemused and downhearted about it.

I would never state or think I’m a man of vast intelligence or predictive of the future , my gut instinct after that was this isn’t the Everton i thought i knew. In other words my feelings about what the club was or is now were a bit misguided.

 

[paultheblue]

I'm 45. I cant remember a time not supporting Everton. Vague memories of the mid 80's, clearer memories of the 90's. There were good and bad times but there was always the slight hope that maybe we could turn things around and win the league again some day.

I think for me, that feeling went away after the cup loss to chelsea in '09. It was clear that Kenwright was happy with his lot, happy with moyes and his ability to keep the club somewhat relevant. You just knew that after that cup defeat, nothing would change. The premier league was already awash with money and somehow bill couldn't get investment. Now it's clear that he couldn't get investment because he had some large disqualifying conditions.

I think what saddens me the most is the size of the fan base that still seems to have his back. They've drank the cool aid and with them, it always seems to be someone else's fault, from Kirkby to now, it's never Bills fault. And until that changes, nothing at the club will change.

He belongs in the history books with the likes of Doug Ellis and Ken Bates.

At least Ellis and Bates sold up and left Kenwright is the second longest serving chairman in the Premier league behind Levy at Spurs who also hasn't achieved much apart from one league cup but at least they have been relevant even reaching a champions league final and they do have the best ground in the country .
All Kenwright has achieved is lowering the expectations of the fans and setting up a marquee in the car park.
When he leaves he leaves he will leave with many millions profit I his bank account.
I will never understand how people carry on defending him he should have been outed years ago, well the chickens are finally coming home to roost now as we very likely to be relegated and for me the happy clappers who clapped him on the screen need to take a long hard look at themselves.
The 27 years campaign and others before them like Blue Union have been warning of this for years but people just scoffed at them and abused them.

My arl fella will be turning in his grave as he looks down and sees the mess the club he loves is in now

 

[BNJ1878]

The day he was applauded on the screen against Aston Villa , whilst I respected people’s rights to do so, I couldn’t help but feel a little bemused and downhearted about it.

I would never state or think I’m a man of vast intelligence or predictive of the future , my gut instinct after that was this isn’t the Everton i thought i knew. In other words my feelings about what the club was or is now were a bit misguided.

Evertonians absolutely have the club we deserve.

If you see people clapping/defending Kenwright they should have a few facts pointed out to them. They can still make their own minds up but when the vast majority still get their club news from the Official Website or the Echo, they will always think Kenwright has done his best under very trying circumstances.

He's a vile, calculating human. I have seen him at AGMs belittle shareholders who ask awkward questions, only then to the cancel AGMs for several years rather than risk being asked them again.

I only really turned Anti-Kenwright after the lies over 'ringfenced' 30m to secure the additional enabling grants to build KD. His friends with an 'encyclopaedic knowledge' of the game headed by his dear friend, Christopher Samuelson as Head of the Fortress Sports Fund. Our former head of Comms (Ian Ross) later admitted the Fortress Sports fund was merely a 'means to an end,' a made up group to convince Evertonians that sticking with Bill over ceding any power to Paul and Anita Gregg who had offered up our end of the Kings Dock for more control.

Kirkby, say no more.

His constant 'search for investment' (Notice he never once said the club was for sale)

He couldn't believe his luck when Moshiri made him a very rich man AND let him stay on as Chairman and basically carry on as before.

If we survive this season, Brentford (last home game) needs to an extremely vocal protest aimed squarely at him and his fellow board members.

Without change at the top and subsequent removal of all his acolytes relegation is inevitable.

 

[Toffeepot]

Evertonians absolutely have the club we deserve.

If you see people clapping/defending Kenwright they should have a few facts pointed out to them. They can still make their own minds up but when the vast majority still get their club news from the Official Website or the Echo, they will always think Kenwright has done his best under very trying circumstances.

He's a vile, calculating human. I have seen him at AGMs belittle shareholders who ask awkward questions, only then to the cancel AGMs for several years rather than risk being asked them again.

I only really turned Anti-Kenwright after the lies over 'ringfenced' 30m to secure the additional enabling grants to build KD. His friends with an 'encyclopaedic knowledge' of the game headed by his dear friend, Christopher Samuelson as Head of the Fortress Sports Fund. Our former head of Comms (Ian Ross) later admitted the Fortress Sports fund was merely a 'means to an end,' a made up group to convince Evertonians that sticking with Bill over ceding any power to Paul and Anita Gregg who had offered up our end of the Kings Dock for more control.

Kirkby, say no more.

His constant 'search for investment' (Notice he never once said the club was for sale)

He couldn't believe his luck when Moshiri made him a very rich man AND let him stay on as Chairman and basically carry on as before.

If we survive this season, Brentford (last home game) needs to an extremely vocal protest aimed squarely at him and his fellow board members.

Without change at the top and subsequent removal of all his acolytes relegation is inevitable.

If we are still in the position of needing the win in this match I think it might be a mistake to move focus to a Bill out protest. I presume you mean if survival was already assured?

 

[chippy1722]

If we are still in the position of needing the win in this match I think it might be a mistake to move focus to a Bill out protest. I presume you mean if survival was already assured?

It’s 10years too late.
Everytime this a thread is bumped I get false hope that he’s gone.

 

[paultheblue]

Evertonians absolutely have the club we deserve.

If you see people clapping/defending Kenwright they should have a few facts pointed out to them. They can still make their own minds up but when the vast majority still get their club news from the Official Website or the Echo, they will always think Kenwright has done his best under very trying circumstances.

He's a vile, calculating human. I have seen him at AGMs belittle shareholders who ask awkward questions, only then to the cancel AGMs for several years rather than risk being asked them again.

I only really turned Anti-Kenwright after the lies over 'ringfenced' 30m to secure the additional enabling grants to build KD. His friends with an 'encyclopaedic knowledge' of the game headed by his dear friend, Christopher Samuelson as Head of the Fortress Sports Fund. Our former head of Comms (Ian Ross) later admitted the Fortress Sports fund was merely a 'means to an end,' a made up group to convince Evertonians that sticking with Bill over ceding any power to Paul and Anita Gregg who had offered up our end of the Kings Dock for more control.

Kirkby, say no more.

His constant 'search for investment' (Notice he never once said the club was for sale)

He couldn't believe his luck when Moshiri made him a very rich man AND let him stay on as Chairman and basically carry on as before.

If we survive this season, Brentford (last home game) needs to an extremely vocal protest aimed squarely at him and his fellow board members.

Without change at the top and subsequent removal of all his acolytes relegation is inevitable.

Excellent post mate

 

[BNJ1878]

If we are still in the position of needing the win in this match I think it might be a mistake to move focus to a Bill out protest. I presume you mean if survival was already assured?

Oh I think we'll beat Brentford and we will be safe before then anyway. (based on nothing but blind optimism)

My point is, even if the Brentford game is a cause for celebration, (NSNO eh? Not relegated) the board should absolutely get it with both barrels.

If we're still scrapping and get beat, it won't matter anyway.

We have been in slow decline since the gane became awash with money. Sure, we have had semi finals and a few European trips, but the fact is all but a very select group are getting further and further away from the top of the pile. If you need evidence just look at the survival points needed year on year. Teams below mid table generally lose to the Top 6, home or away. Nobody has gone down with anytjing near 40 points for a while. The 'Greatest League in the World' will see all three teams relegated with less than 25 points before long.

Why have we fallen behind? Leadership - A complete lack of. He (the Chairman) is utterly shameless and that attitude filters throughout the club.

 

[bring back the catt]

The idea that Gary Megson was on his shortlist is the part that horrifies me. I agree that he had the sense to appoint Moyes, but he has 33 years of decline on his CV as a Director. The day he arrived as a director, Everton had 9 league titles, Man Utd had 8.

BPB was in panic mode. He had left it six games too late to jettison Walter, and the 'r' word was a very real threat.
He needed somebody who knew the Championship. The league, the teams, the players , the officials, the grounds etc; and he needed someone who would be grateful to manage a club the stature of Everton.
Thankfully he selected Moyes.
Then the problem arose. Bill had little resources, Moyes had little to show he could conquer the world, ergo, a marriage made in Heaven. The Plucky Little Everton was borne.
Jobs for the boys ensued to retain our status feeding off the scraps.

 

[Lawrence]

At least Ellis and Bates sold up and left Kenwright is the second longest serving chairman in the Premier league behind Levy at Spurs who also hasn't achieved much apart from one league cup but at least they have been relevant even reaching a champions league final and they do have the best ground in the country .
All Kenwright has achieved is lowering the expectations of the fans and setting up a marquee in the car park.
When he leaves he leaves he will leave with many millions profit I his bank account.
I will never understand how people carry on defending him he should have been outed years ago, well the chickens are finally coming home to roost now as we very likely to be relegated and for me the happy clappers who clapped him on the screen need to take a long hard look at themselves.
The 27 years campaign and others before them like Blue Union have been warning of this for years but people just scoffed at them and abused them.

My arl fella will be turning in his grave as he looks down and sees the mess the club he loves is in now

Fantastic Summary. I hate what the fat charlatan has done to our club.