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That's what, 67% growth?

Everyone should be pounding their savings on then.

I think it's the accessibility thing that put people off... it's a bit of a ball ache to get hold of.

I've invested in a new one called Electroneum, the idea behind it is that it's easier for people to get hold of and understand and it'll have a "real world" use. It'll probably bomb on its arse lollollol
 
You see for me, this is one of the great worries in the current fad of people buying bitcoin; I don't think people are looking into it nearly enough before handing over significant sums of money (I'm talking about the last three-six months).

If I buy a sandwich, I know without having to really bother to consider it:

  • whether I can afford it
  • what I will get as a product
  • its net benefit to me (I'll be fed)
  • that if I open it and it is rotten, I can take it back and have it exchanged / refunded
Anything you buy with something tangible at the end broadly follows these principles. And I understand them, because they are simple, everyday and I've repeated them many times over.

There are people now - and not you Kev - buying an unregulated product who do not have any clue what they are buying. And not for a couple of quid either, big big sums. I find that amazing.

Again, if you've got in early 2011 at 1:1$ parity as either a speculation or a novelty, well done indeed.
You've nailed it there.

People have no understanding that this was meant to be a currency. I think we're 4 years on from when I remember first hearing about the original bubble. In that time it has hardly made any inroads into actually being widely adopted as a currency. It isn't being used for transactions, it is being used as a speculation asset because of its deflationary nature coupled with a complete ignorance of what it is actually meant to be.

The early spikes in value, the organic growth in value that wasn't solely based upon speculation, was tied to the technology becoming more widely adopted and accepted. This brought in the first round of Ponzi scheme speculators and their speculation attracted more and the spiral has continued ever since. Meanwhile, as a currency it is basically useless for smaller transactions due to its value and the values associated with processing a transaction. The characteristics which originally gave the product its value are no longer the driving mechanism of its growth in value.

That's a bubble. Congratulations to everyone who jumped on it but I still find this type of gambling investment to be insane.
 
Maths I'm not great at.

So let's say, for the sake of argument, you bought 40 at an average of 900gbp

Initial first investment of £36,000 . Firstly, you have serious nuts to have done that in such an unregulated market.

You're currently sitting on £382,980.07 - which naturally is superb.

You're looking for an exit point of around £800,000?

Bro,

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Why is it a push?

There's no actual logical reason for it to be valued at 12K besides the speculation value. What's to stop the speculation market growing to that value? I never thought it would ever make it this far but it has and I'm not sure where it stops and runs out of steam.

Theoretically there would eventually be some equilibrium reached as the value of a single bitcoin reaches astronomic values which limits the pool of investors next in line who could afford the price of a coin and the risk of parting with that value to speculate. Since bitcoins can be divided into smaller parts and they can be traded also then there is the potential that the market keeps growing with lower value investment speculators buying portions of coins and inflating the total value of the market in that way rather than attracting larger investment vehicles.

As a black market currency it has great value, to a limit. The value is too large for smaller, drug user transactions, and I don't know if distributors will risk the traceability (I know the blockchain preserves a ledger of transactions) or carry the depreciation risk.

So it has legitimate potential, but i don't know how useful it is nor what a stable price might be.
 

is there any actual economic growth anywhere these days, that isn't an obvious bubble?

global real estate, cryptocurrency, the American stock market, chinese debt, american student debt, personal credit debt, subprime car loans, outstanding pension obligations, tech nonsense like tesla/snapchat et al... i'm certainly missing several more.

if you read the financial press, it's clear the investment class is acutely aware of how precarious and unsustainable everything is, but there is so much pressure to deliver short-term returns and so little opportunity for stable fundamentals-backed growth (see the withering of the bond market) that they are all regardless scrambling to extract every last penny until the music stops.

having already effectively eliminated interest rates for the last decade, central banks have no ideas beyond continuously pumping the system with yet more QE money - all of which is channeled toward offshore hoarding or short-term speculation rather than the meaningful investment on which QE is premised (which also belies the entire premise behind perpetual corporate tax cuts; large corporations are all already swimming in more capital and cheap credit then they could ever hope to productively use).

meanwhile, governments the world over adamantly refuse to increase long-term productivity - infrastructure, research, education etc - because despite the fact that many places now have literally negative interest rates, we're all still drunk on the patent nonsense that is Laughter Curve austerity koolaid.

all of which means that when the far bigger series of cascading bubbles that emerged from our disastrous response to the last speculative crises inevitably gives way, there will be no monetary recourse - the emergency levers have already been deployed full-stop this entire time.

so although bitcoin is probably one of the more obvious bubbles to cast one's lot with, it's not like there's anything dramatically more sensible out there to invest in instead... and unlike everything else I listed, cryptocurrencies thrive on fake-news-lazy-teenage-libertarian-internet paranoia, which will not be in short supply after the second epic financial meltdown in as many decades.

good luck everyone... vault me! ; )
 
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I think it might be fair to distinguish between speculation (which profits from the greed/eagerness/foolishness of someone to buy an asset over its true value) and Ponzi schemes (which steal money from investors through deceit and manipulation of information; an act of fraud). I don't think they're the same, and don't both apply here.
 
Of course, people have been saying for years "don't do it, it's going to crash" yet it never does. Invest in smaller cryptocurrencies too
 
I think it might be fair to distinguish between speculation (which profits from the greed/eagerness/foolishness of someone to buy an asset over its true value) and Ponzi schemes (which steal money from investors through deceit and manipulation of information; an act of fraud). I don't think they're the same, and don't both apply here.

Ponzi schemes are a method of capitalizing on people's desire to speculate. A Ponzi scheme promises speculators a return on their money beyond what is actually feasible, and they provide that return through theft of the next speculator.
 

As a black market currency it has great value, to a limit. The value is too large for smaller, drug user transactions, and I don't know if distributors will risk the traceability (I know the blockchain preserves a ledger of transactions) or carry the depreciation risk.

So it has legitimate potential, but i don't know how useful it is nor what a stable price might be.
Being the preferred cryptocurrency of the digital black market has been the only demonstrated value of this technology so far. That isn't enough to justify the valuations it currently holds and sooner or later the market is going to have to acknowledge that, as a technology product, bitcoin is a failure.
 
I agree... and I think this is why anyone who actually believes in the future of blockchain technology is no doubt frantically selling now to cash in on the internet fools, so they can buy back more later at a sensible valuation

Beyond simply Bitcoin, Blockchain is going to be revolutionary across business.

If I had any bitcoins I would be cashing out now and investing it in companies at the forefront of bringing Blockchain technology to wider business use beyond Bitcoin.
 

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