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Bobby Martinez on Talksport now. AMA job.

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Gwladysstreetlad said:
You know this downward spiral that we've been on for almost a decade now? It was started by your man Martinez when he ripped apart the class team that Moyes built after fluking a single good season with it. We where dreadful in 14-15 and 15-16 despite having a vastly superior team to the garbage we have now. You beat the whole 72 points thing to death years ago and the facts still haven't changed. All it achieved was 5th place. Is that better then now? Sure. But its still not an achievement. Especially when we'd finished 6th the season before under the previous manager anyway and the 5th place finish was followed by two bottom half finishes that we could still well match this season despite being absolutely horrendous. Bad managers can have fluke good seasons. Koeman had one too.
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Three seasons RM had here:

season one - highest points total and biggest number of wins in one season since the 80s
season two - last British club in Europe
season three - two cup SFs reached (Wembley appearance)

...all on a pre-Moshiri meagre budget.

That's a golden age to what we have now.


...oh yeah...and two midtable finishes we'd accept right now in a heartbeat.
 
davek said:
Three seasons RM had here:
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We've done this so many times pal. I really thought we'd got to the point where we'd silently agreed to differ but ok. I have no problem setting the record straight one more time.
davek said:
season one - highest points total and biggest number of wins in one season since the 80s
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Which resulted in a 5th place finish. Which I have no problem with admitting I'd be delighted with now, hell its sounds great without any context but fluking 5th place like we did that season stops being an impressive Martinez achievement when you take into account that same Moyes team had finished 6th only the season before so at least half the credit has to go with Moyes. The bloom was already off the rose by the end of the season when Crystal Palace played us like a fiddle at Goodison to beat us 3-2. Teams had already figured us out and so the tone was set for the next two seasons.
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season two - last British club in Europe
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We reached the last 16 ffs (and got humiliated in the second leg at Dynamo Kyiv btw). I'm not even going to entertain the ludicrous suggestion that this is an achievement.
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season three - two cup SFs reached (Wembley appearance)
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I mean, that's nice and everything if you think we're Watford and think that reaching a semi-final counts as an achievement but for someone who hasn't abandoned all standards it doesn't amount to anything. Is it better then now? Sure. But it was still piss poor season overall. It meant nothing when our home form was as wretched as it was that season. Just five wins at Goodison under Martinez before Rhino grabbed us the 6th against Norwich on the last day. Going the match was as miserable experience that season as its ever been

My big takeaway from that cup semi-final at Wembley is that it was the day that Martinez lost the players entirely. They completely abandoned his long standing style and philosophy to go rogue and play to win.
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...all on a pre-Moshiri meagre budget
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Oh leave it out ffs. Don't try and claim poverty for Martinez. He had plenty of money and wasted loads of it on trash.

He spent what was the clubs record transfer fee at the time on Lukaku so lets not pretend that he didn't have money.

He wasted good money on absolute trainwrecks like Niasse.

He wasted what was decent money at the time on donkeys like Kone.

And when he did stumble onto an amazing bargain like Eto'o for free he drove the lad away in the space of six mouths.
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That's a golden age to what we have now.
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Better then what we have now? Sure. A "golden age" lmfao.........

It was just a different shade of crap back then to what it is now. I expect us to finish around 11th to 13th this season so it's not really all the much different to 14-15 or 15-16 under Martinez. The difference is that I fancy our chances of at least winning more home games then we did in either of those seasons. I mean, we did last season after all despite being in a relegation battle and spending more then half of it being managed by the kopite pig so I see no reason why we can't do it again this year.
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...oh yeah...and two midtable finishes we'd accept right now in a heartbeat.
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Its a good thing we're well on our way to it then isn't it?
 
Liked him as a human being. Nice chap

Was going to relegate us if he stayed and he made some questionable signings

He'll always be the manager that thought Funes Mori was a better bet than pursuing Van Dijk

One of the most egregious examples of an Everton manager getting it wrong in the transfer market that I can remember, and one that also set off a chain of events that led to one of Liverpool's greatest era's

Everton that
 
Gwladysstreetlad said:
We've done this so many times pal. I really thought we'd got to the point where we'd silently agreed to differ but ok. I have no problem setting the record straight one more time.

Which resulted in a 5th place finish. Which I have no problem with admitting I'd be delighted with now, hell its sounds great without any context but fluking 5th place like we did that season stops being an impressive Martinez achievement when you take into account that same Moyes team had finished 6th only the season before so at least half the credit has to go with Moyes. The bloom was already off the rose by the end of the season when Crystal Palace played us like a fiddle at Goodison to beat us 3-2. Teams had already figured us out and so the tone was set for the next two seasons.

We reached the last 16 ffs (and got humiliated in the second leg at Dynamo Kyiv btw). I'm not even going to entertain the ludicrous suggestion that this is an achievement.

I mean, that's nice and everything if you think we're Watford and think that reaching a semi-final counts as an achievement but for someone who hasn't abandoned all standards it doesn't amount to anything. Is it better then now? Sure. But it was still piss poor season overall. It meant nothing when our home form was as wretched as it was that season. Just five wins at Goodison under Martinez before Rhino grabbed us the 6th against Norwich on the last day. Going the match was as miserable experience that season as its ever been

My big takeaway from that cup semi-final at Wembley is that it was the day that Martinez lost the players entirely. They completely abandoned his long standing style and philosophy to go rogue and play to win.

Oh leave it out ffs. Don't try and claim poverty for Martinez. He had plenty of money and wasted loads of it on trash.

He spent what was the clubs record transfer fee at the time on Lukaku so lets not pretend that he didn't have money.

He wasted good money on absolute trainwrecks like Niasse.

He wasted what was decent money at the time on donkeys like Kone.

And when he did stumble onto an amazing bargain like Eto'o for free he drove the lad away in the space of six mouths.

Better then what we have now? Sure. A "golden age" lmfao.........

It was just a different shade of crap back then to what it is now. I expect us to finish around 11th to 13th this season so it's not really all the much different to 14-15 or 15-16 under Martinez. The difference is that I fancy our chances of at least winning more home games then we did in either of those seasons. I mean, we did last season after all despite being in a relegation battle and spending more then half of it being managed by the kopite pig so I see no reason why we can't do it again this year.

Its a good thing we're well on our way to it then isn't it?
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I accept your apology.
 

Lineker said:
I am so firmly in the Dav-Ek camp that I will fight you in the street about it. I wake up each morning and perform stretching exercises so that I will be ready to decide this, forevermore. Up the Dav-Eks.

However, I hated him as Everton boss afyer year 1, but loved him as world cup pundit in the USA for 2014.
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Davek really was one of the more mediocre of modern Everton managers…. lol
 
davek said:
Three seasons RM had here:

season one - highest points total and biggest number of wins in one season since the 80s
season two - last British club in Europe
season three - two cup SFs reached (Wembley appearance)

...all on a pre-Moshiri meagre budget.

That's a golden age to what we have now.


...oh yeah...and two midtable finishes we'd accept right now in a heartbeat.
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We’d accept two mid table positions because that is above where we are now.
When you tend to finish 5-7 mid table is underperformance.
 

BigDunc'sFod said:
Mate I watched a clip the other day when we battered Sunderland under Fat Sam and Kone scored a hatty

Think someone must have slipped me some shrooms
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That was an amazing game. He looked like a decent player there. Its bizarre. He played almost fifty gamefor us, was absolutely wretched in all but two (I think he had a good game against Watford that same season if I remember rightly) of them and scored just PL six goals with half of them them came in that one game against Sunderland. I remember worrying after that game that Martinez was going to extend the lads contract purely based on that one profomance!
 

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