Boxing

[mitchell1996]

You make some good points! But I think we're miles apart in our opinion!
Firstly I think Joshua got wobbled from his own aggressiveness, not from Whytes ability. The fact he couldn't finish the job when he was rocked shows more to me than the one that connected. The skill difference is huge, and as you said, I think Joshua needs a few more fights before hes at the standard and I think he showed he was a cut above Whyte in all but the one round. For that reason I think Haye v Whyte would be an absolute no brainer.

I don't think there's a buzz around Haye anymore. After the shoulder injury and poor performance against Wladimir Klitschko (and the broken toe) and the fact he's been on the shelf for so long... I just don't see the attraction. Where as Joshua sells fights, is exciting and is yet to put out a bad performance. It's been 6 years since Valuev, and the only thing of note he's really done since was make a gang rape joke.

The fact his latest fight was on Dave seals it for me. It's another example of a fighter who should have stayed retired. Plus I really can't listen to him say 'Punch Power constantly for another fight promo.

Each to their own opinion! But I don't even think a left right from Haye would change my mind.

I slightly agree with some points made. However, Joshua didn't get wobbled by his own aggressiveness, he got wobbled because he clumsily walked onto a big shot, he then stiffened up ala frank bruno and was very lucky not to be finished, Whyte done everything wrong after he landed that shot. I agree Whyte V Haye would be a brilliant fight, i think Whyte will fight Chisora in his next big fight but providing he comes through that, i'd love to see the Haye fight. I agree Haye hasn't done a lot since the Valuev win, but lets have it right, he's unified the cruiserweight division, knocked out Chisora in 5 rounds who Vitali went 12 rounds with, won the heavyweight title against Valuev, destroyed a durable John Ruiz. Haye is a class fighter, certaintly in terms of modern day heavyweights, and i think the extra weight on Haye will be an advantage to him, he looks like a proper heavyweight now. Tyson Fury beats them both.

 

[Fazz]

he sold out the o2 against a bum

What was the gate though? I'd be interested... Again the fact it was on Dave and no one else took it shows the big shot corporate minds couldn't see the value in it.

I slightly agree with some points made. However, Joshua didn't get wobbled by his own aggressiveness, he got wobbled because he clumsily walked onto a big shot, he then stiffened up ala frank bruno and was very lucky not to be finished, Whyte done everything wrong after he landed that shot. I agree Whyte V Haye would be a brilliant fight, i think Whyte will fight Chisora in his next big fight but providing he comes through that, i'd love to see the Haye fight. I agree Haye hasn't done a lot since the Valuev win, but lets have it right, he's unified the cruiserweight division, knocked out Chisora in 5 rounds who Vitali went 12 rounds with, won the heavyweight title against Valuev, destroyed a durable John Ruiz. Haye is a class fighter, certaintly in terms of modern day heavyweights, and i think the extra weight on Haye will be an advantage to him, he looks like a proper heavyweight now. Tyson Fury beats them both.

Yeah that's what I mean sorry, not taking it away from Whyte, but the shot that wobbled him was more Joshua's inexperience than Whytes craftsmanship!

Agree with a lot of what you have said there, especially when it comes to Hayes achievements. He's one of the greatest of this generation. But in his mid 30's with some serious injuries and a long lay off, I think he's on borrowed time and even though tonight proved me wrong in some respects, I just don't see why AJ would want to fight him as their really isn't any acclaim to beating a (sorry to say it as I'm sure this will fuel the fire, so apologies!) has-been. Even if to you guys that's not right, the fact a lot of people would see it that way is a big deal breaker. I think a victory on the other hand for Haye would force Fury into a fight because of the heat he would receive off the back of it. Heat = Money. Gypsies <3 Money.

 

[Walken]

What was the gate though? I'd be interested... Again the fact it was on Dave and no one else took it shows the big shot corporate minds couldn't see the value in it.



Yeah that's what I mean sorry, not taking it away from Whyte, but the shot that wobbled him was more Joshua's inexperience than Whytes craftsmanship!

Agree with a lot of what you have said there, especially when it comes to Hayes achievements. He's one of the greatest of this generation. But in his mid 30's with some serious injuries and a long lay off, I think he's on borrowed time and even though tonight proved me wrong in some respects, I just don't see why AJ would want to fight him as their really isn't any acclaim to beating a (sorry to say it as I'm sure this will fuel the fire, so apologies!) has-been. Even if to you guys that's not right, the fact a lot of people would see it that way is a big deal breaker. I think a victory on the other hand for Haye would force Fury into a fight because of the heat he would receive off the back of it. Heat = Money. Gypsies <3 Money.

16,000 i think, can't quite remember for sure, the o2 may hold more than that, you can't tell me it would be difficult to hype a haye vs joshua/fury/whyte/wilder, I agree the risk/reward is wrong for joshua right now and he shouldn't be matched with haye, but a few more fights and haye can be an attraction in the division for sure

 

[Fazz]

16,000 i think, can't quite remember for sure, the o2 may hold more than that, you can't tell me it would be difficult to hype a haye vs joshua/fury/whyte/wilder, I agree the risk/reward is wrong for joshua right now and he shouldn't be matched with haye, but a few more fights and haye can be an attraction in the division for sure

Can totally see the hype for all those fights, because of the british/title connections...
But I don't think the hype is really that much for Haye in any of those.

Joshua is a no go, Fury is a no go, Wilder is a no go, the only viable option out of those is Whyte. A fight against Whyte though wont push him up the ranks enough to get where he wants to go. His time is limited, the only option after that moving up the rankings and still selling the fight is AJ as @mitchell1996 said. But will he be interested at that time?

Interested to see how it unfolds!

 

[mitchell1996]

What was the gate though? I'd be interested... Again the fact it was on Dave and no one else took it shows the big shot corporate minds couldn't see the value in it.



Yeah that's what I mean sorry, not taking it away from Whyte, but the shot that wobbled him was more Joshua's inexperience than Whytes craftsmanship!

Agree with a lot of what you have said there, especially when it comes to Hayes achievements. He's one of the greatest of this generation. But in his mid 30's with some serious injuries and a long lay off, I think he's on borrowed time and even though tonight proved me wrong in some respects, I just don't see why AJ would want to fight him as their really isn't any acclaim to beating a (sorry to say it as I'm sure this will fuel the fire, so apologies!) has-been. Even if to you guys that's not right, the fact a lot of people would see it that way is a big deal breaker. I think a victory on the other hand for Haye would force Fury into a fight because of the heat he would receive off the back of it. Heat = Money. Gypsies <3 Money.

Everybody loves money mate, not just gypsies. If Fury beats klitshcko in the rematch, suddenly the heavyweight division has big big fights. Fury/Haye/Joshua/Wilder/Ortiz/Povetkin are all massive head to head fights, add Whyte to that list if he beats Chisora and looks good in doing so. The division has massively improved from a few years back, where it looked dead and buried, and that is largely due to Fury beating Wlad and the emergence of Joshua. Thank [Poor language removed] because it looked awful 4 years ago.

 

[mitchell1996]

16,000 i think, can't quite remember for sure, the o2 may hold more than that, you can't tell me it would be difficult to hype a haye vs joshua/fury/whyte/wilder, I agree the risk/reward is wrong for joshua right now and he shouldn't be matched with haye, but a few more fights and haye can be an attraction in the division for sure

Haye vs Joshua in a year is a stadium fight, easily. If Haye knocks out a reasonable high level opponent like Helenius/Whyte, that fight is easily a massive PPV event. Haye vs Wilder would be massive in the states and Haye vs Fury is even bigger than it was a few years ago before Haye pulled out. Even Haye V Whyte would definitely be PPV imo. Anybody who doesn't think Haye is a massive draw in the division dont know [Poor language removed] baaout boaaxing

 

[Fazz]

Haye vs Joshua in a year is a stadium fight, easily. If Haye knocks out a reasonable high level opponent like Helenius/Whyte, that fight is easily a massive PPV event. Haye vs Wilder would be massive in the states and Haye vs Fury is even bigger than it was a few years ago before Haye pulled out. Even Haye V Whyte would definitely be PPV imo. Anybody who doesn't think Haye is a massive draw in the division dont know [Poor language removed] baaout boaaxing

Got to disagree with your last line! But thats the point of a discussion I guess.

I think my opinion of him soured after the Chisora build up. I thought he came out looking an absolute ****. Im probably passing off my opinion of him as factual... But actually I'm in the minority.

Time will tell, but for me hes not a big draw. But ill agree to disagree!

 

[mitchell1996]

Got to disagree with your last line! But thats the point of a discussion I guess.

I think my opinion of him soured after the Chisora build up. I thought he came out looking an absolute ****. Im probably passing off my opinion of him as factual... But actually I'm in the minority.

Time will tell, but for me hes not a big draw. But ill agree to disagree!

who isn't a big draw mate? bit confused as to who its about, im assuming Fury but ill reserve a comment until i know for sure.

 

[toffeejack]

seemed a bit coy answering the question of whether he came back because he's blown most of his money.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

seemed a bit coy answering the question of whether he came back because he's blown most of his money.

He's split from his wife and their home was put on the market before Christmas. He stands to be rinsed by the eventual divorce settlement and he does indeed need the dosh.

He now looks like a proper heavyweight, but we didn't learn much from last nights mis-match.

He's a vey interesting addition to the British / World heavyweight mix. Despite his massive ego I've always quite liked Haye, and I think fights between him and either Whyte, Joshua or Fury would be fascinating.

Joshua's camp won't be rushing to take him on though, and he burned his bridges with Fury over the cancelled events. If Fury beats Klitchko in the re-match then I doubt he'll get a sniff, but if he doesn't, then that fight will eventually be made assuming Haye gets past his next opponent and then probably Whyte.

I think Fury has achieved his goal, and I think the night in Germany will end up being the pinnacle of his career.

 

[TheFinnFan]

Wilder is a monster. Would love to see Fury Wilder. Two loud mouths would put up a entertaining package.

 

[steken1]

he sold out the o2 against a bum

He sells a fight well. It'll be interesting to see how hard he's hitting when he's in with someone who's a better standard.

If I was him Id consider Helenius to get a belt and go from there

 

[harry]

Haye looked good last night against a limited fighter who was way out of his depth.
But what you could see is his speed and power was still there, add this to his extra weight, I think he would dispose of whyte with ease. I don't think Joshua and wilder will fair much better. Fury would be interesting.

 

[steken1]

Haye looked good last night against a limited fighter who was way out of his depth.
But what you could see is his speed and power was still there, add this to his extra weight, I think he would dispose of whyte with ease. I don't think Joshua and wilder will fair much better. Fury would be interesting.

I'm not convinced yet. I think he'll struggle to get inside on a few of the bigger guys.

 

[harry]

I'm not convinced yet. I think he'll struggle to get inside on a few of the bigger guys.

That's why I think fury will interesting, I don't thing wilder is technically good enough and I think it's to early for Joshua. How big is Joshua 6ft 5 or 6?