Brands stamps his authority

[FTY]

I apologise if I've pissed people off above. I didn't mean to. In fact, I'm happy with Brands as a character - he looks assured and has presence - even if I dont appreciate the role of DoF he carries out (which a is along standing bug bear of mine regardless of whether it's at Everton or not).

I just think it's the correct way forward to have a clear hierarchy at the club with the manager indisputably at the top of the pile and the DoF as a facilitator. We cant afford more turmoil, and that will happen if we have two men trying to steer the ship.

Reckon they'll get along fine and build a good working relationship, but the only thing that worries me is that IF it does go wrong and there's a power struggle, who's their authority?

I don't see anyone in the heirachy of the club that would be able to bang their heads together and tell them to kiss and makeup. DBB is new in her job, Kenwright's an ornament now (especially to these 2, bet neither have even met him), and Moshiri is very passive with this sort of thing by the sounds of it

 

[Nymzee]

Reckon they'll get along fine and build a good working relationship, but the only thing that worries me is that IF it does go wrong and there's a power struggle, who's their authority?

I don't see anyone in the heirachy of the club that would be able to bang their heads together and tell them to kiss and makeup. DBB is new in her job, Kenwright's an ornament now (especially to these 2, bet neither have even met him), and Moshiri is very passive with this sort of thing by the sounds of it

Like you’d mess with Marcel.

 

[McBain]

Thats why Davo the King.

He can take any manner of positivity and bowl it a flipper to get it right on the back foot.

I have no doubt Brands will rock back and dispatch it down to the third man boundary, but I'd be worried for Silva up the other end when it's his turn at the crease.

 

[Charles Hawtrey]

That will work as long as Brands carries the can for any failures. You cannot have a DOF (or a manager) with all of the responsibilities and yet none of the responsibility.

dear God man. Life is not unique in any business environment. The universal business principles apply to every walk of life. I suspect that if you cannot understand that,you cannot understand business at all and you should perhaps restrict your comments to something you do understand, quite what that is I have yet to understand.

business is business, regardless of the product. It ain't rocket science.

I think accountability is the word you might have chosen

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

The round of interviews he did last week plus the press conference he did this week is about all I want to see or hear of Brands from now on. He should just fade back into the bureaucracy of the club and not seek - or be asked - to go front and centre in explaining our transfers or general football plan. He is not the manager of Everton, and the manager is the only one we should be wanting to hear from on that score.

True, yet the way he stands next to Silva he seems to be relishing literally overshadowing over his smaller underling!

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

Although I hope the current management arrangement is successful, both on and off the pitch, I think Brands will be here the longer of the two. He holds the senior role in this structure and will have the greater long term influence on the direction of the club from a footballing perspective. Silva will be judged on the performance of the first team, first and foremost, as it should be. Brands will be judged on giving Silva the environment and implementing a sustainable strategy that allow him success on the pitch. I wish both of them well.

I’ve heard and learned more about how this current arrangement will in one week than I did in two years of Koeman & Walsh with the nadir of that relationship being exposed after the FA Cup defeat by Leicester when Koeman openly criticised Walsh for his failure to provide him with players. Fast forward to that summer of excess and gluttony we then witnessed, we’re still not sure who to blame. Both probably blamed each other in the end as they both lost their jobs.

So, if that’s not how to do it, hopefully we get to see these chosen ones, acquired with this model in mind, work at a much more refined and successful level. Here’s hoping!

Call me old fashioned, but a Clough/Taylor-style partnership is far superior to this new set up. The DOF will be quick to throw the manager under the bus to save his own skin

 

[Jokerdan]

I have absolutely no doubt that there is a clear demarcation between Brands and Silva. The first is the facilitator, tasked with pruning and replacing personnel in conjunction with the Manager/Coach, the latter having sole responsibility for working with and identifying players, picking the team and setting it up to play.
Brands will organise everything behind the playing side ie. the club structure, scouting and development. Silva will concentrate on the day to day issues of the playing staff, performance, team selection and style/approach.
I do not believe Brands will 'force' any player onto Silva - why would he? Any 'failures' will be Silva's 'failures' and not his. He might advise on the strengths and depths of an individual but it will be down to Silva to decide how he sees that player fitting into his working plan.
I pray that it works and this is the beginning of something good. But I'm an Evertonian and have come to learn that nothing is ever plain sailing.

 

[Barnfred 55]

The final say would be Brands I guess. But I would imagine there is a list of players, agreed on, that Brands is responsible for getting in.

Then if say, some random Spanish lad popped onto his radar, he would I am sure run the player past Silva.

Didn"t he actually say there's no point me buying players that the manager wont play. So I suppose all Brands choices need to be approved by Silva and vice versa. If either really want a player its up to them to sell the idea to the other party.

So long as they are both true to the same football philosophy (imperitive for the relationship to work anyway) then there shouldn't be many issues.

 

[Barnfred 55]

It has the propensity to place an awkward stone in the shoe though. Even at the best of times. A weighty CEO is what we required. Someone in control of the club rather than staring over the shoulder of the manager on football matters.


Levy/Pochettino
Dein/Wenger
Gill/Ferguson
Carter/Kendall

...that's the way it should be.

That hasnt worked for us for 30+ years.

I'm happy to give something else a try.

 

[Barnfred 55]

No, you're right. Which is a concern.

In answer at the press conference to a question on WC attendance and activity there:

Silva: "Marcel I think will be a busy man"
Brands: "Perhaps".

Mini-smackdown right there.

...and the fact that Silva was NOT Brands choice in reality makes me even more concerned.

I saw that as coyness rather than a smackdown. You're showing your hand early on this one Dave.

And I believe he is 100% Marcels man. He even said he didnt sign his contract until the day after he interviewed Silva for the first time. Just because it was Moshiri's first choice doesn't mean he can't agree with him.

 

[Blackwell Livermore]

Now that is arse about face IMO. Obviously a DoF will (generally speaking) outlast the manager, but a manager should be answerable to no one. The DoF should be tasked with carrying out a manager's bidding to the nth degree and maintain total commitment to him. If the time comes when the chairman/owners think a change is required then the DoF steps in and shuts the manager down and hands him his cards, and then they head up recruitment for a successor. That;s the way it should work.

Yes we get what your saying. However that's not how it works in a continental DoF / Manager scenario which is what Brands has a made a name for himself in and what we're clearly adopting. The manager is actually the coach and the DoF the one that's behind the playing philosophy. We've had the traditional style and seen a measure of success. Walsh was an expensive misstep but let's give it another shot with someone that knows what he's doing.. A DoF signals ambition, thet we're building for the long term.. Let the manager deal with the short term.

 

[james2805]

It's looking like a good partnership in these early stages, and think they both mirror a similar vision of playing style and the direction the club needs to go in.

Gives me optimism for the future again!

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

I'm not unhappy. I'm just underlining the reasonable point that you have to have hierarchy and a recognised number 1 at the head of the playing side of the club. For me that has to be the manager. He's the one who's tasked with getting results.

with respect I think you are confusing the club with the first team here. Silva will and should be the recognised head of the first team and be answerable for it. the playing side of the club (i.e. including youth development and overall strategy ) will be overseen by the DoF, at least that is how I see it. It is a partnership not a hierarchy. if Brands was not in control of the overall playing side of the club then his role would be pointless.

 

[davek]

dear God man. Life is not unique in any business environment. The universal business principles apply to every walk of life. I suspect that if you cannot understand that,you cannot understand business at all and you should perhaps restrict your comments to something you do understand, quite what that is I have yet to understand.

business is business, regardless of the product. It ain't rocket science.

You think that the world of a business manager - a lowly functionary in a corporate hierarchy - is in any way shape or form like that of a football manager: a position that is THE most important at any club and a figure who acts as the conduit through which the outside world connects with a football club?

I suggest you pick up any reasonably written book on the football industry and/or a volume of the history of football....and football management in particular.


Dear me. Staggering ignorance.

 

[msb]

You think that the world of a business manager - a lowly functionary in a corporate hierarchy - is in any way shape or form like that of a football manager: a position that is THE most important at any club and a figure who acts as the conduit through which the outside world connects with a football club?

I suggest you pick up any reasonably written book on the football industry and/or a volume of the history of football....and football management in particular.


Dear me. Staggering ignorance.

No wonder you end up fighting with everyone. You're going back on the ignore list. I was talking about principles of management, not how good a manager or level of business. You really ought to read what was posted and stop putting your own slant on it.