Brazil 1-0 England 1970 World Cup

[Brendan Janus]

I watched the full match a couple of years ago and was amazed to see how good England were. They were the better team over the 90 minutes. They'd have been in another final if Bonetti hadn't had a nightmare in the QFs against West Germany.

Banks was food poisoned ! Bonetti 'The Cat' LOL !

 

[ForestBlue]

No. Ramsey brought on Bell and Hunter. Bell played really well to be fair and was denied a pen after a clear foul by Beckenbauer.

I assume the ref checked with Beckenbauer first before being "told" not to award a penalty by him.

Jeez that German had some decisions go his way over the years

 

[Jamo Martinez]

One of my all time favourite games.

It was shown in full many years ago in a BBC series called something like 'Great Sporting Moments' so I recorded it and still find myself watching it at least once a season when Everton have ground me down so much I need confirmation that football can be actually be a pleasure to watch, or even that it is possible to pass a ball to a player wearing the same coloured shirt.

These were the two best teams in the tournament, Brazil's magical attack versus England's solid defence and a team bolstered by the confidence of being World Champions.


You're right, Gerson missed the game but that allowed Rivelino the chance to play centre midfield instead of on the wing and he was man of the match by a mile.
For England, Bobby Moore gets all the plaudits because of how he played Pele, but Alan Ball was superb as well that day, and Tommy Wright had a fine game at right-back.

But for the cock up in the QF the teams would probably have met again in the Final. I think Brazil would have won again, but England would have given them a tougher game than Italy did.

Tbf, Italy were giving them a pretty tough game until about the 65th minute. I think that extra time ding dong battle with W. Germany in the semi may have taken its toll and they ended up looking completely outclassed.

If you haven't read it, 'The Beautiful Team: In Search Of Pele And The 1970 Brazilians' by Gerry Jenkins should be on your Christmas list.

Goes into a lot of detail about their preparations. They knew they were more than a match for anyone technically, but 66 had shown them how, Physically and tactically the top European teams were moving on. They put in the hard yards to be in absolutely tip top condition.

 

[Jamo Martinez]

I watched the full match a couple of years ago and was amazed to see how good England were. They were the better team over the 90 minutes. They'd have been in another final if Bonetti hadn't had a nightmare in the QFs against West Germany.

Probably a better team than in 66. Certainly a better squad.

 

[Dario Terracotta]

No. Ramsey brought on Bell and Hunter. Bell played really well to be fair and was denied a pen after a clear foul by Beckenbauer.

Took Bobby Charlton off at 2-0 as Ramsey had one eye on the semi final.

 

[Stevie Nicks Bootleg]

Tbf, Italy were giving them a pretty tough game until about the 65th minute. I think that extra time ding dong battle with W. Germany in the semi may have taken its toll and they ended up looking completely outclassed.

If you haven't read it, 'The Beautiful Team: In Search Of Pele And The 1970 Brazilians' by Gerry Jenkins should be on your Christmas list.

Goes into a lot of detail about their preparations. They knew they were more than a match for anyone technically, but 66 had shown them how, Physically and tactically the top European teams were moving on. They put in the hard yards to be in absolutely tip top condition.

Good call on the final, it was competitive until Gerson’s goal and Italy tend to be underrated because of this. I think they’d have beaten England personally as this England team often struggled vs more defensive teams- and had looked poor vs Romania and the Czechs. The same as 66 when the team struggled vs Uruguay and in the farcical Argentina game (when far more fouls were committed by England than the Argies but Alf decided only they were ‘animals’). Italy were deserved finalists and, and you say, that semi took it out of them.

That book sounds good I’ll check it out. I have read one about that World Cup, called “Back Home”, which is well worth a read too.

 

[Stevie Nicks Bootleg]

Took Bobby Charlton off at 2-0 as Ramsey had one eye on the semi final.

The Divine Baldy was taken off at 2-1 mate but Alf was planning it at 2-0 for the reason you stated, but either way, Bell was a great introduction and in the circumstances and heat, it was the right thing to do, he created more chances than any of the midfield and England should have bagged a 3rd in normal time and he was brought down by Franz- a decision as bad as Ablett's foul on Pat Nevin an Anfield in 1991. The game turned when the Germans Introduced Grabwoski who turned Cooper inside out, I think he should have been replaced.

 

[davek]

Probably a better team than in 66. Certainly a better squad.

Yes, I think that's a general consensus. It was just that a lot of other teams got much better too.

 

[Stevie Nicks Bootleg]

I assume the ref checked with Beckenbauer first before being "told" not to award a penalty by him.

Jeez that German had some decisions go his way over the years

Revenge for that goal in 66 perhaps?

 

[Jamo Martinez]

The Divine Baldy was taken off at 2-1 mate but Alf was planning it at 2-0 for the reason you stated, but either way, Bell was a great introduction and in the circumstances and heat, it was the right thing to do, he created more chances than any of the midfield and England should have bagged a 3rd in normal time and he was brought down by Franz- a decision as bad as Ablett's foul on Pat Nevin an Anfield in 1991. The game turned when the Germans Introduced Grabwoski who turned Cooper inside out, I think he should have been replaced.

Only one sub in those days

 

[Stevie Nicks Bootleg]

Only one sub in those days

Two were allowed mate

 

[Jamo Martinez]

Two were allowed mate

Because it was the WC?

My bad.

I do remember Bobby Charlton in an interview years later saying he felt fine when he was subbed off. Someone else (can't remember who) said when he went off Beckenbaur started to exert more influence.

 

[Stevie Nicks Bootleg]

Because it was the WC?

My bad.

I do remember Bobby Charlton in an interview years later saying he felt fine when he was subbed off. Someone else (can't remember who) said when he went off Beckenbaur started to exert more influence.

I think the two subs was introduced due to the heat and the fact that many kick offs took place at midday to accommodate European TV.

Re: Charlton. Yes even hough he was past his best he was still the superstar of the team and Beckenbaur no longer had to keep an eye on him, but he'd started coming forward at 2-0 down, hence the "Bonetti" goal, which Bobby can be seen trailing when it's scored.

Should he have been taken off? Like you said many players disagreed but some didn't. Alan Ball thought both subs were correct and said it was exactly what he'd do. Bell also replaced Bobby during the Brazil game at 0-1 and that was England best spell of the match (e.g. Astle's sister and Bally hitting the bar).

A lot of "wise after the event" opinions with this one, similar to virtually every game we were winning during Martinez's tenure as manager. ?

 

[BigMick]

Tbf, Italy were giving them a pretty tough game until about the 65th minute. I think that extra time ding dong battle with W. Germany in the semi may have taken its toll and they ended up looking completely outclassed.

If you haven't read it, 'The Beautiful Team: In Search Of Pele And The 1970 Brazilians' by Gerry Jenkins should be on your Christmas list.

Goes into a lot of detail about their preparations. They knew they were more than a match for anyone technically, but 66 had shown them how, Physically and tactically the top European teams were moving on. They put in the hard yards to be in absolutely tip top condition.

Yes I've read that book - very good as you say. Zagallo succeeding Saldanha was crucial for the team.

I didn't think the Final had the quality of the England game but you're right it was competitive until Brazil scored their second, a bit like Brazil's SF against Uruguay. Italy may well have felt the effects of their semi but I think it was more a case of Brazil relaxing after going ahead and producing the flowing football they were capable of.

It was a decent Italian team - Facchetti, Mazzola, and Riva were quality - but they were battered by the Germans for most of the semi and it was probably the effects of Germany's tough QF that allowed Italy to scrape through after that bizarre extra time when 5 goals were scored.

 

[Brendan Janus]

Yes I've read that book - very good as you say. Zagallo succeeding Saldanha was crucial for the team.

I didn't think the Final had the quality of the England game but you're right it was competitive until Brazil scored their second, a bit like Brazil's SF against Uruguay. Italy may well have felt the effects of their semi but I think it was more a case of Brazil relaxing after going ahead and producing the flowing football they were capable of.

It was a decent Italian team - Facchetti, Mazzola, and Riva were quality - but they were battered by the Germans for most of the semi and it was probably the effects of Germany's tough QF that allowed Italy to scrape through after that bizarre extra time when 5 goals were scored.

Mazzola retired and set up an oil business !