2020/21 Carlo Ancelotti

[ForeverBlue92]

They'd improve Palace's options, no doubt, but not by enough to transform them. And this is Everton's problem. A fit James aside, very few of our players are huge improvements over what other mid-table sides have. I say "other" deliberately. Richarlison is considered one of our better players, but is he that much better than Zaha at Palace? Not by enough to transform them, no. Tom Davies is Burnley standard. Michael Keane actually came from there. They have survived without him.

We need difference makers like a fit James, not the "slightly better" types Carlo has had to make do with this season.

Lets be honest mate if WHU, Leeds, Leicester etc played Palace at home yesterday it would have been a comfortable 2-0 day at the office.

Yes we wasted a good number of chances but at 1-0 up to go defensive and sit back as we always do just invites teams onto us and at some point we'll concede which we did.

I'll only ever be comfortable playing that way if we had 2 monster CDM's and Koulibaly and Van Dijk as our CB's.

We aint good enough to constantly sit back on 1-0 wins particularly with injuries to the likes of Allan and Doucoure.

 

[Jamalio Danubio DiCanio]

There's some bad crying in this thread.

There's areas of improvement required. There's a few areas of concern that need addressing. But having one of the best managers in the World in that dug out gives confidence that he is seeing the issues and will solve them long term.

47 points off 29 games could be improved on. But here's the final points totals in the last 6 seasons (since 72 points under Martinez):

2019/20 49 points
2018/19 54 points
2017/18 49 points
2016/17 61 points
2015/16 47 points
2014/15 47 points

The above tells me 2 things:

1. This is a team and club that has been poor for a number of season. Given the level of investment over this period getting 60+ points each season should be the aim. It's been done once in 6 seasons. It says a lot about the job Carlo (and Brands) has on his hands when he took over. It's massive given the context of the above.
2. Arguable that even if form is patchy for the last 9 games you'd expect 10-15 points. That's going to be the best points total for the last 3 seasons. It's going to be better than 5 out of the last 6 seasons. Arguably it'll be the best points total in the last 6 seasons, in the managers 1st full season.

Anyone expecting Top 4 and 70+ points this season is deluding themselves. Top 8 and Europa League qualification challenge was always the limit of the ambition. That's still a possibility with 9 games to go. So that's progress since in the last few seasons there's been no hope of that by this point in the season.

Progress won't be in a linear trajectory but from a holistic perspective things are going in the right direction. What the manager and club don't need is fans throwing their dummies out the pram at every disappointing result

 

[charlie atkins]

Have you been drinking Charlie? There is no atmosphere at Goodison this season because in case you have not noticed there are no fans. Nobody will ever know what the league table would look like if fans had been present. That applies to all clubs, except maybe City. You should be consoled by the fact it is costing you nothing to watch it, except your time.

well i know theres no one there at the moment , i was asking what people think it would be like, sorry it was to difficult for you to understand, i should of made it clearer, it does cost me money, but as you get sky and BT for free, well done

 

[Drico]

Lets be honest mate if WHU, Leeds, Leicester etc played Palace at home yesterday it would have been a comfortable 2-0 day at the office.

Yes we wasted a good number of chances but at 1-0 up to go defensive and sit back as we always do just invites teams onto us and at some point we'll concede which we did.

I'll only ever be comfortable playing that way if we had 2 monster CDM's and Koulibaly and Van Dijk as our CB's.

We aint good enough to constantly sit back on 1-0 wins particularly with injuries to the likes of Allan and Doucoure.

I agree - we are not good enough. Part of that is we have a manager who is ideal for bringing the best out of excellent players - and right now we do not have enough excellent players to maximise that precious quality. So the solution - if Everton want to achieve greatness - is to source those excellent players. The alternative is to get David Moyes back and hope for a good plucky season like he is having right now while knowing that any "success" is fleeting and unsustainable. The Moyes ceiling is fourth and a Champions League humiliation. The Ancelotti ceiling is winning the Champions League. What's Everton's ceiling? That we will soon find out.

 

[Lanolin]

There's some bad crying in this thread.

There's areas of improvement required. There's a few areas of concern that need addressing. But having one of the best managers in the World in that dug out gives confidence that he is seeing the issues and will solve them long term.

47 points off 29 games could be improved on. But here's the final points totals in the last 6 seasons (since 72 points under Martinez):

2019/20 49 points
2018/19 54 points
2017/18 49 points
2016/17 61 points
2015/16 47 points
2014/15 47 points

The above tells me 2 things:

1. This is a team and club that has been poor for a number of season. Given the level of investment over this period getting 60+ points each season should be the aim. It's been done once in 6 seasons. It says a lot about the job Carlo (and Brands) has on his hands when he took over. It's massive given the context of the above.
2. Arguable that even if form is patchy for the last 9 games you'd expect 10-15 points. That's going to be the best points total for the last 3 seasons. It's going to be better than 5 out of the last 6 seasons. Arguably it'll be the best points total in the last 6 seasons, in the managers 1st full season.

Anyone expecting Top 4 and 70+ points this season is deluding themselves. Top 8 and Europa League qualification challenge was always the limit of the ambition. That's still a possibility with 9 games to go. So that's progress since in the last few seasons there's been no hope of that by this point in the season.

Progress won't be in a linear trajectory but from a holistic perspective things are going in the right direction. What the manager and club don't need is fans throwing their dummies out the pram at every disappointing result

Sorry but that's absolutely ridiculous. At no point in the last 20 years has the top 8 been beyond the realms of possibility at this point of the season. Not everything is bad, I agree, but just rewriting history to make it sound like we're a totally different proposition now is not helpful.

 

[AsiaAsia82]

I think we all see expectations have been raised by Carlo’s appointment and the playing squad is improving, so I’m not sure it’s good to compare to some of the duffers we’ve had managing us in the past
The frustration is we can play well against higher teams but fail to hold a lead against lower opposition. That’s with the same players.
I just think we missed an opportunity this season

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Is he too nice?

He always seems happy to shrug off a loss - regardless of opposition and never seems to call out the disgraceful cowardly performances from players payed millions to kick a ball (imagine them having to work in an ICU!!). And despite some of the disgusting performances they will be on tiktok dancing and on Instagram with their new fashion trends instead of on the training ground putting it right!

And Carlo will still pick them next week.

Maybe these players need a dose of someone with passion and discipline - a Roy Keane type, Dyche(?), Ferguson or tempt Moyes back from West Ham. And don't tell me they wouldn't play good football because we currently aren't any better than under Allardyce (at least we could see out a lead at home!)

Im a big believer of certain managers/players suit certain teams due to the culture of the club.

Look at Klopp - his zaney antics and his "rock n roll" attacking football suit Liverpool down to the ground.

For me Everton are best when its a moody Goodison playing dogs of war football, crunching tackles balls into the channels putting the opposition under pressure. Maybe thats just because I largely grew up under Moyes whereas the older lads would perhaps say school of science type football.

Carlo is a good manager but is he the right fit for me is the question - I would have loved a Simeone type manager for the reason of I think that type of personality works best at a club like ours. Even Biesla has taken a squad of largely Championship plodders and made them look a half decent outfit largely down to tactics/having them run themselves into the ground each week.

We just seem to have no identity from the DOF down to the players.

 

[Saint Domingo]

There's some bad crying in this thread.

There's areas of improvement required. There's a few areas of concern that need addressing. But having one of the best managers in the World in that dug out gives confidence that he is seeing the issues and will solve them long term.

47 points off 29 games could be improved on. But here's the final points totals in the last 6 seasons (since 72 points under Martinez):

2019/20 49 points
2018/19 54 points
2017/18 49 points
2016/17 61 points
2015/16 47 points
2014/15 47 points

The above tells me 2 things:

1. This is a team and club that has been poor for a number of season. Given the level of investment over this period getting 60+ points each season should be the aim. It's been done once in 6 seasons. It says a lot about the job Carlo (and Brands) has on his hands when he took over. It's massive given the context of the above.
2. Arguable that even if form is patchy for the last 9 games you'd expect 10-15 points. That's going to be the best points total for the last 3 seasons. It's going to be better than 5 out of the last 6 seasons. Arguably it'll be the best points total in the last 6 seasons, in the managers 1st full season.

Anyone expecting Top 4 and 70+ points this season is deluding themselves. Top 8 and Europa League qualification challenge was always the limit of the ambition. That's still a possibility with 9 games to go. So that's progress since in the last few seasons there's been no hope of that by this point in the season.

Progress won't be in a linear trajectory but from a holistic perspective things are going in the right direction. What the manager and club don't need is fans throwing their dummies out the pram at every disappointing result

Some sense.

 

[kenada_blue]

I don't know because I have never seen Moyes backed by the levels of investment you claim Ancelotti will be this summer (and I actually doubt the quality of player that will be bought anyway)

He had money at United. No one would play for him.

 

[chrissyjack]

I wonder what Rafael Benitez could do with this squad . Is he still available ?

 

[Jebus_lives]

Im a big believer of certain managers/players suit certain teams due to the culture of the club.

Look at Klopp - his zaney antics and his "rock n roll" attacking football suit Liverpool down to the ground.

For me Everton are best when its a moody Goodison playing dogs of war football, crunching tackles balls into the channels putting the opposition under pressure. Maybe thats just because I largely grew up under Moyes whereas the older lads would perhaps say school of science type football.

Carlo is a good manager but is he the right fit for me is the question - I would have loved a Simeone type manager for the reason of I think that type of personality works best at a club like ours. Even Biesla has taken a squad of largely Championship plodders and made them look a half decent outfit largely down to tactics/having them run themselves into the ground each week.

We just seem to have no identity from the DOF down to the players.

Moyes or Dyche - honest footballing men. They would fit us perfectly!

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

I wonder what Rafael Benitez could do with this squad . Is he still available ?

*SOUNDS KLAXON*

EVCON 5 EVCON 5! GET TO THE BUNKERS!

 

[brieverton]

All points to the importance of having a virtually error-free summer window, within the budget available.

It would be very disappointing, but not the end of the world, not to make Europe, this year.

He will have to achieve it the season after though. I don't think there is any room for failure there.

It will be two and a half seasons of Ancelotti then. If having Carlo Ancelotti as your manager can't qualify you for the Europa League in that timeframe, then you'd have to question paying such a lavish salary. I would imagine nobody is more keenly aware of that than him.

 

[navidson]

There's some bad crying in this thread.

There's areas of improvement required. There's a few areas of concern that need addressing. But having one of the best managers in the World in that dug out gives confidence that he is seeing the issues and will solve them long term.

47 points off 29 games could be improved on. But here's the final points totals in the last 6 seasons (since 72 points under Martinez):

2019/20 49 points
2018/19 54 points
2017/18 49 points
2016/17 61 points
2015/16 47 points
2014/15 47 points

The above tells me 2 things:

1. This is a team and club that has been poor for a number of season. Given the level of investment over this period getting 60+ points each season should be the aim. It's been done once in 6 seasons. It says a lot about the job Carlo (and Brands) has on his hands when he took over. It's massive given the context of the above.
2. Arguable that even if form is patchy for the last 9 games you'd expect 10-15 points. That's going to be the best points total for the last 3 seasons. It's going to be better than 5 out of the last 6 seasons. Arguably it'll be the best points total in the last 6 seasons, in the managers 1st full season.

Anyone expecting Top 4 and 70+ points this season is deluding themselves. Top 8 and Europa League qualification challenge was always the limit of the ambition. That's still a possibility with 9 games to go. So that's progress since in the last few seasons there's been no hope of that by this point in the season.

Progress won't be in a linear trajectory but from a holistic perspective things are going in the right direction. What the manager and club don't need is fans throwing their dummies out the pram at every disappointing result

7th under Koeman
8th under Allardyce
8th under Silva

 

[blue to the bone]

But we probably wouldn’t have created the chances if we had scored the first one, as we’d have sat back, which is a bigger issue than our finishing. In the premier league we’ve won about 5 games by more than one goal, of which two were in the first 4 games.

One of the chances was directly after we scored. Richarlison also had a chance the one he hit into the ground at 1.0.
We should have won the game comfortably if we took easy chances