Yes but if your away form gets better and your home form gets worse you haven’t actually improved have you? You’ve just swapped one problem for another.
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the sniderman
Player Valuation: £40m
how about simply “ do not be big piss baby “ instead buddy?? I feel this good compromise.
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
You want a double standard. These players to take advantage of every other team’s weakness at home without having the same weakness at home themselves.
Flip the season round and we’ve beaten all these sides at home but lost to the big boys away. He’d be getting even more pelters for that.
Not only are a lot of fans disrespecting the quality of the premier league (Fulham and Burnley both won at Anfield, West Brom won at Stamford Bridge, Sheffield United at Old Trafford), but you are grossly over estimating the ability of our players to have a pop at Carlo.
We don’t have a divine right to beat any of these teams. They’ve all got good players, some of them have better players on the bench than we have in the first 11, yet you want a magic miracle pill where Davies Gomes Siggurdson suddenly aren’t some of the worst midfielders in the league, Coleman can suddenly cross a football, and Michael Keane is suddenly a decisive quick aware defender.
My position is clear, the squad has improved since Brands came in, and Carlo is a better manager than anything we’ve had before in the prem. Long term we are going in the right direction. The squad is still nowhere near good enough though and some players in this team are some of the worst in the league. I think that has been borne out by repeated performance under Koeman Allardyce and Silva where we have been bouncing round the bottom half of the table for most of that time.
You seem to just get overly bent out of shape by losing to what you consider a poor team at home when every other team in the league is doing it this season. Was it really that long ago when all sorts of teams were strolling through us home and away plastering us for four and fives, that fans have forgotten just how poor we were?
If we’re losing at home loads next season when crowds are back in and Carlo has more of his own players then fine there might be some mileage in it. But bashing him for this season and basing that claim on Gomes Davies and Siggurdson not being that bad just seems to be reaching for the purpose of being overly negative. Big picture we are getting better.
chippy1722
Player Valuation: £35m
It depends if you judge success on points or positions. Each year the points of top teams will change and the gaps will be different, positions will alway be the same.
For me 8th place is a failure as previous managers have done it and been sacked, reputation means it won’t happen to Carlo.
Hopefully he can get some players in.
I look at our squad and bench and it’s horrific,
MikeH72
Player Valuation: £100m
I’m more concerned with the way we’re playing. We don’t look like a team that is being coached at all. I couldn’t tell you one thing it looks like we work on in training just by watching us play.
And you say I’m the one bent out of shape?! You sound like a dad defending his son, just throwing mud hoping some of it sticks and nobody notices you contradicting your own views. You haven’t mentioned our mentality yet though, you’re slipping.
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
Those managers didn’t get sacked for finishing 8th. Martinez had two bottom half seasons before he was sacked. Koeman had us in a relegation battle before he was sacked. Allardyce was always a short term appointment. No one was firing Silva when he came 8th, he got fired for 15 points from 15 games and us looking like we were spiralling to relegation getting thumped every week. We don’t fire managers unless they’re getting us relegated, we certainly don’t fire them for taking us from bottom half to top 8 in a season.
MikeH72
Player Valuation: £100m
Stop constantly using Davies, he hasn’t started a game for ages and we’ve actually been miles worse without him in the side.
Curtis
Player Valuation: £35m
About the who are players are heinous rationale , it seems to fluctuate beyond the definitive turds such as iwobi, siggy , and Gomes. If you look at the transfer thread on certain weeks people tout our defense and claim it doesn't need revamping , then we lose and every player is deemed terrible and we are blessed that we even won a game in the past. It just becomes a crutch to shield carlo from criticism.
Oh I’m not happy about that.
BlueStevie35
Player Valuation: £70m
It’s baffling as in the videos you see them do passing drills, shooting drills etc then come Match day they look like they’ve never touched a ball before
Baines' left foot
Player Valuation: £90m
I don’t think I have the energy for it any more mate. Been doing it for years but the motivation has withered away.
The mouth breathers have won. Everything is awful and life is pure misery, apparently.
The binman chronicles
Player Valuation: £80m
Our home form is still better than our away form of recent years. We've broken a few ducks, DCL, Keane and Pickford have appeared to have improved and we are attracting a far better class of footballer to the club. Has been great? No. We are missing opportunities to further progress and the football is eye achingly bad. Sometimes you have to break a few things to fix others. When our first team is available it's a lot better though and despite all of it we're not a million miles away.
We've had 6 mangers in 8ish years and we've had diabolical displays under all of them. Ancelotti isn't the sort to rant and rave to tubthump a performance out of the players, it's not how he rolls. I think that if we had a manager like that we might be better in the short term but I doubt over the longer term. There is no silver bullet here else you'd have thought one of those would have found it. As West Ham showed they went from being a really poor side to being easy on the eye, sometimes it doesn't take much for the pendulum to swing back to where we need it.
the sniderman
Player Valuation: £40m
i feel u buddy the cockroaches are breeding v fast.
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
It’s an absolute double standard and you know it. Whilst you’re busy dismantling statistically our best PL manager, through some sort of NSNO holier than thou virtuous stance, you’re quite happy to claim that players who have seen multiple managers fired and have failed us countless times under several different coaches are actually good enough for us to stroll to premier league wins. In one breadth it’s all about not accepting mediocrity and being capable of better, in the other it’s how Gomes Davies Siggurdson aren’t that bad and are better than a lot of other team’s players (which teams these are I have no idea). Then when you get challenged on that you just flip it into a binary logical trap of ‘well if you believe that then you can’t also believe Brands is doing well’, as though this would somehow excuse your own inconsistent view point.
You think Carlo should be doing better (I assume) but what is it based on? Win % is higher, points total will be better, gap to top 4 will be less, performances against top 6 home and away are better, cup runs are better, league position will be better. Any statistical indicator you can look for will show that in the round we are moving forward, and this in a season when Carlo doesn’t have many of his own players and we’ve had key injuries to the ones he did bring in. It seems you want faster progression (we all do) but you’re basing it on him getting more out of players that have completely failed us multiple times. Then you’re happy to accept the players aren’t good enough as long as Brands (who didn’t even bring in most of them) gets a load of blame.
Just seems overly negative to me but each to their own.
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