2020/21 Carlo Ancelotti

[MikeH72]

I’m sure we can use that excuse if needed. Bit far fetched for me though.
At least 6 of the team which started Saturday will be in the starting XI next season.

Then you’d hope the likes of Holgate would be still trying to prove himself, Coleman can never be faulted for attitude.

So really we are now boiling down to Gomes - he’s just gash
Iwobi - wasn’t hiding, just isn’t very good
Gylfi - had one of his invisible man performances.

If the attitude isn’t right, then it’s up to management to sort that out, so I’m afraid some of the blame lies there for me.

If those 3 get volleyed off a cliff as soon as the window opens then that’s all I need.

 

[JMT]

It'll be a learning curve for him, He probably expected the players to naturally be hungry and ready for bloodshed given our table position and Europe wide open but they've completely bottled it and probably realized he needs to be more harsh than he usually is.

 

[Thomasc]

And Richarlison maybe? Seems to be up for it in a game he thinks is big, otherwise not so much imo.

I’m not going down that route with Richy.
For the last two seasons he’s been very passionate and if he doesn’t look at the races at the moment, he gets the benefit of the doubt for me.

 

[RomanReigns]

The problem was holgate being an absolute bumder and putting us on the backfoot

 

[brieverton]

"It seemed the players were focused but not tonight [Saturday], they were not focused and, maybe, I need to push more on that aspect to have the players more ready when the game starts"

A positive that he's said that but also concerning that he isn't doing it already. He has to be on a club like ours players 24/7 - tough love and sand dunes are required none of this best mates and smiles in training nonsense.

I can understand why he doesn't call some of them out publicly as that would lead to a poisonous dressing room but even a man as mild mannered as Ancelotti must surely be tempted in that direction soon.

I don't how how you confront poor attitude other than by simply dropping the player concerned but I've felt for a long-time that we need something a bit more impactful than that.

I've thought for ages that this squad needs a big kick up the proverbials collectively - being nice won't get Ancelotti anywhere at Everton. There is too much of this "family club" thing, a part of that means sticking together which is fine but not if bad attitude isn't confronted.

I'd take the pain in the short-term if it meant some of the midfield were launched from a rocket never to show up here again - but he can't do that either.

Alex Ferguson could do that in the 80s when he made clear that the likes of Paul McGrath wasn't going to fit in with his requirements.

Mourinho would lose all his hair at Everton but not before calling out shocking levels of attitude and performance first. I'm not saying thats the way but it does show how difficult it is in the modern era.

If things go on as they are though Ancelotti will either have to confront it or risk losing his job - these players will have no issue throwing him under the bus.

 

[Carlito]

I'll be honest I don't think there is a manager on the planet who could get these lot to turn up more than a handful of times a season.

They've proven it and as Carlo is renowned for his man management skills who is lauded by all the best players in the world, If he is struggling, a man who players have always ran through brick walls for we are buggered. may as well let him get his own players in before judging.

My only issue with Ancelotti is his attitude towards older players, despite the fact that ours are hardly former superstars.

It's one thing to big up Sigurdsson in the press, but offering him an extension on wages that he never should have been earning in the first place is ridiculous. He treats him and Delph like they're Seedorf and Gattuso.

I honestly believed that the pair of them were done after the FA Cup exit to the Liverpool children's team last year, but no.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

I can understand why he doesn't call some of them out publicly as that would lead to a poisonous dressing room but even a man as mild mannered as Ancelotti must surely be tempted in that direction soon.

I don't how how you confront poor attitude other than by simply dropping the player concerned but I've felt for a long-time that we need something a bit more impactful than that.

I've thought for ages that this squad needs a big kick up the proverbials collectively - being nice won't get Ancelotti anywhere at Everton. There is too much of this "family club" thing, a part of that means sticking together which is fine but not if bad attitude isn't confronted.

I'd take the pain in the short-term if it meant some of the midfield were launched from a rocket never to show up here again - but he can't do that either.

Alex Ferguson could do that in the 80s when he made clear that the likes of Paul McGrath wasn't going to fit in with his requirements.

Mourinho would lose all his hair at Everton but not before calling out shocking levels of attitude and performance first. I'm not saying thats the way but it does show how difficult it is in the modern era.

If things go on as they are though Ancelotti will either have to confront it or risk losing his job - these players will have no issue throwing him under the bus.

Moist has done it at WHU - had the players running up and down the sand dunes building up discipline and fitness and now they know if they aint running they aint playing.

I imagine FF is like a day out for the players and has been since the days of Martinez.

 

[BlueToff]

The problem was holgate being an absolute bumder and putting us on the backfoot

Well, yeah, but the Holgate incident was just an entire summary of what is wrong with how we try to play out at the back.

We are slow, predictable, and ultimately end up trying a safe pass or a hollywood ball that goes nowhere near its target, unless it's James.

We have nobody to get on the ball in midfield, turn and run with it. Allan wants to, but that leaves a huge gap. Gomes tries to push up, but is physically so weak since his injury, and has no recovery pace, leaving a huge gap.

The movement in midfield is awful, and the decisions on the ball from the CBs are often crap.

Ultimately, that isn't just on the players. Whatever they try to do when they play it out from the back, it doesn't work.

 

[Ancelotti]

The lads on Toffee TV got it right. Carlo is a good manager when he’s got a squad full of world class players.

this will never be the case here. We aren’t signing world class players with no European football - and players generally don’t see us as a step up from where they already play unless they’re at a small club like Burnley or Brighton. Or they join us because their injury records are so bad that no top team will touch them with a barge pole (JR).

Depressing times.

 

[Nymzee]

The lads on Toffee TV got it right. Carlo is a good manager when he’s got a squad full of world class players.

this will never be the case here. We aren’t signing world class players with no European football - and players generally don’t see us as a step up from where they already play unless they’re at a small club like Burnley or Brighton. Or they join us because their injury records are so bad that no top team will touch them with a barge pole (JR).

Depressing times.

Carlo as boss, Rodriguez pinging balls across the park, entering a new stadium soon, our cross-park rivals somehow making themselves even more unlikable to the entire world.

Not really is it.

 

[Goat]

The lads on Toffee TV got it right.

I doubt that's ever happened.

 

[DanEFC92]

Carlo as boss, Rodriguez pinging balls across the park, entering a new stadium soon, our cross-park rivals somehow making themselves even more unlikable to the entire world.

Not really is it.

Think this season has been depressing myself.

 

[MikeH72]

Think this season has been depressing myself.

I am eagerly anticipating it’s ending.

 

[DanEFC92]

I am eagerly anticipating it’s ending.

Putting a spread on when it ends.

 

[Ancelotti]

I doubt that's ever happened.

They’re good lads. Or are you jealous they get paid for talking about a passion of theirs?

They were not criticising Carlo. What they said is what most intelligent fans are saying. Get Carlo top drawer players and he will deliver.

But we won’t. We never do. We need 5-6 players and to sell 5 or 6. That isn’t happening. Carlo isn’t a long term project manager. He’s a short term head coach to bring quick success.

We can bury our heads in the sand and attack anyone who doesn’t pretend that Carlo is the best manager ever but this simply isn’t true - some people here are acting like Kopites. They worship their managers for no reason before they’ve even kicked a ball.

I support Everton and have done since 1977. I don’t support Carlo, this isn’t Carlo FC. We need a project manager and to think long term.

When we’re serving up the same Big Sam football under Carlo at Goodison next season, with Siggy just standing around doing nothing and Carlo looking out of ideas in front of the dugout, the fans will make their feelings known.