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2020/21 Carlo Ancelotti

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Moyes got us 4th and Martinez got us our most points in the prem era
Right now I prefer Ancelotti, and Martinez and Moyes belong to the past. But in general I think that points against the best teams are not necessarily good indicators of progress, and the points against supposedly equally good or worse teams count just as much. There are also several of those teams, and several possible points.

But to elaborate on my point above, if you play football like Otto Rehagel and get some points against the best teams, then it's a bit like tossing a coin. You may be lucky to go on a long winning streak, but in the future this will level off. The question is just how far ahead you have to go. Then you have a variable that is very uncertain, but which you know sooner or later will level out.

When the second variable, matched against the less good teams, is more or less fixed, and you neither dominate nor have a good points rate against these teams, then it is only a matter of time before the total points ratio goes down. So the first thing Ancelotti needs to fix is to find a way to dominate and win matches against supposedly equal or worse opposition.
 
Right now I prefer Ancelotti, and Martinez and Moyes belong to the past. But in general I think that points against the best teams are not necessarily good indicators of progress, and the points against supposedly equally good or worse teams count just as much. There are also several of those teams, and several possible points.

But to elaborate on my point above, if you play football like Otto Rehagel and get some points against the best teams, then it's a bit like tossing a coin. You may be lucky to go on a long winning streak, but in the future this will level off. The question is just how far ahead you have to go. Then you have a variable that is very uncertain, but which you know sooner or later will level out.

When the second variable, matched against the less good teams, is more or less fixed, and you neither dominate nor have a good points rate against these teams, then it is only a matter of time before the total points ratio goes down. So the first thing Ancelotti needs to fix is to find a way to dominate and win matches against supposedly equal or worse opposition.
Agreed. Winning against those bottom 10 sides especially at home should be a formality and the bare minimum.
 
Agreed. Winning against those bottom 10 sides especially at home should be a formality and the bare minimum.

Not simply a question of the manager but look at the performance of the players, and to male a simple blunder like Holgate did what can one say?

There seems little pride in pulling on that blue shirt.
 
Not simply a question of the manager but look at the performance of the players, and to male a simple blunder like Holgate did what can one say?

There seems little pride in pulling on that blue shirt.
That is the worrying part that the players look like they don’t care

Problem is the ones who do look like they care ie richarlison and dcl make poor choices during critical stages of games which have also cost us
 

Not simply a question of the manager but look at the performance of the players, and to male a simple blunder like Holgate did what can one say?

There seems little pride in pulling on that blue shirt.
I do not believe in explanations such as pride and menatlity, etc. What exactly does it explain? Nothing. The game consists of many phases, and you have to analyze each of them to find out what to do right and wrong. Then you have to be as specific as possible. And if the players have so little pride in wearing the blue shirt, then the manager should have identified the attitude problems during this time. Then you use the second choice, even if you go down a bit in quality, that's how you create a winning culture. It is in the training that this foundation is laid, and as Guerdiola says:

“If you train badly, you play badly. If you work like a beast in training, you play the same way "
 
Agreed. Winning against those bottom 10 sides especially at home should be a formality and the bare minimum.

They're not a formality. Hate that arrogant approach. They're more winnable than other games but some down there are not atrocious sides. Fulham. Brighton. Leeds. Wolves. Southampton. All in current bottom 10 and all can give problems on their day.
Cant stand that formality sh!te.
 
They're not a formality. Hate that arrogant approach. They're more winnable than other games but some down there are not atrocious sides. Fulham. Brighton. Leeds. Wolves. Southampton. All in current bottom 10 and all can give problems on their day.
Cant stand that formality sh!te.

At home they should be. It should be the bare minimum expectation as a fan.
 

They're not a formality. Hate that arrogant approach. They're more winnable than other games but some down there are not atrocious sides. Fulham. Brighton. Leeds. Wolves. Southampton. All in current bottom 10 and all can give problems on their day.
Cant stand that formality sh!te.
Someone may come along and correct me with stats here, but I recall it being more or less the case that Moyes won the winnable games at home, which was usually enough for whatever 'best of the rest' meant in any given season. There were usually one or two hidings dished out to a Fulham, Southampton or Sunderland at Goodison, too.

Having said that, I think the quality of player at the lower end of the table is much higher now than it was before the last major TV revenue increase, which has made the margins a lot finer.
 
That attitude is the same as the players who funnily enough have struggled to beat those bottom 10 sides this season. There's no easy game in the PL and we certainly don't have the quality of players to sleep through those matches and still find 3 points.
I think the point is that these are matches that we should be expected to win. At least if Europe is the goal. This is not to say that we will win all the matches. But that we should at least win the majority of these matches, and even if we lose, we should dominate the match.

Even the best teams lose matches against supposedly worse opposition sometimes, but then they have usually dominated the match and been unlucky. It's not like Burnley come to Ethiad, Stamford Bridge, White Hart Lane and play tiki taka. At Goodison, just about all of these teams have emerged as a better team than us, and that's a problem.
 
Someone may come along and correct me with stats here, but I recall it being more or less the case that Moyes won the winnable games at home, which was usually enough for whatever 'best of the rest' meant in any given season. There were usually one or two hidings dished out to a Fulham, Southampton or Sunderland at Goodison, too.

Having said that, I think the quality of player at the lower end of the table is much higher now than it was before the last major TV revenue increase, which has made the margins a lot finer.

100% it has. Games you quoted like sunderland i was at. I did expect to beat them. Not by 7-1.
But now i am wary of most sides as money has been a little bit of a leveler.
There are no real givens in this league for Everton. Esp right now. No idea where that thought even comes from given our squad.
 
I think the point is that these are matches that we should be expected to win. At least if Europe is the goal. This is not to say that we will win all the matches. But that we should at least win the majority of these matches, and even if we lose, we should dominate the match.

Even the best teams lose matches against supposedly worse opposition sometimes, but then they have usually dominated the match and been unlucky. It's not like Burnley come to Ethiad, Stamford Bridge, White Hart Lane and play tiki taka. At Goodison, just about all of these teams have emerged as a better team than us, and that's a problem.

The teams that have outplayed us have highlighted how unbalanced and inadequate our squad is. When we had everyone fit and firing at the start of the season we were steam rolling past teams. Then Richarlison gets suspended, Coleman injured and we're forced to play Iwobi and Sigurdsson in midfield. The next week James is also injured, Digne suspended and Godfrey injured. The rest of the season has followed that trend.

We have a good starting XI however our squad is tragic and our squad players are no better than Southampton's, Wolves, Villa's etc.
 
That attitude is the same as the players who funnily enough have struggled to beat those bottom 10 sides this season. There's no easy game in the PL and we certainly don't have the quality of players to sleep through those matches and still find 3 points.
Attitudes change over the course of time

At one point we used to beat Man City quite easily away from home. Now I’m thinking it will probably be 35 years before we can even scrape a point there.

In my opinion there are certain fixtures that you look at on paper and think we should easily win that game especially if we are playing at home. Obviously injuries and suspensions and what not may effect the strength of the team but you would still expect to come away with 3 points. For example we have Sheffield United coming up soon. I’m thinking we must win that game. Of course it won’t be easy. They have nothing to play for and beat us last season 2-0 at goodison park but I would still expect us to at least be the dominant side and play on the front foot and come away with the 3 points. If I went into every game with the mindset that this will be W tough game and we might struggle especially given the investment that our squad has had and the calibre of management then what even is the point.
 

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