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2020/21 Carlo Ancelotti

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Gilbert.. said:
How many times are we going over this. Claude puel was sacked for a reason. His negative style never reflected the good squad he had. He was asking jamie vardy to play a hold up striker. The leicester fans wanted him out because they knew.
Facts? Like you claimed last week ancelloti is the first Everton manager to lose 3 consecutive games in 15 years. When silva actualy did in 2019.
You swept that one under the carpet einstein.
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What you’re trying to do is create a hypothetical scenario. League position is a reflection on a team’s performance over the course of a season. The season Rodgers came on to Leicester, we were the better team. In fact, bar last season, they’ve only finished above us once since they came back up.

Ancelotti currently has the league’s top goal scorer and has us in 9th and we’re falling fast. He has players like Richarlison, DCL and James at his disposal and couldn’t even beat a lowly Burnley side. It’s pathetic.
 
Saint Domingo said:
Therein lies the problem though, Bielsa could do that all day to Gylfi and Tosun but come matchday they don’t run any faster. The problem lies with the idiots who wasted 75 million pounds of our money on two blokes who can’t run.
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Then he would never have used them again, and instead used players who are loyal to the system. If you are not loyal to the system, you are done. He makes no compromises.

This style also has its clear weaknesses. In the long run, players are burned out and demotivated. You depend on having a very good relationship with the players. It would have been a lot of fun to watch Everton's training sessions. To see how this is done. Ancelotti is a disciple of Sacchi, and Sacchi's training consisted of endless and repetitive exercises.
 
GwladysBlue said:
What you’re trying to do is create a hypothetical scenario. League position is a reflection on a team’s performance over the course of a season. The season Rodgers came on to Leicester, we were the better team. In fact, bar last season, they’ve only finished above us once since they came back up.

Ancelotti currently has the league’s top goal scorer and has us in 9th and we’re falling fast. He has players like Richarlison, DCL and James at his disposal and couldn’t even beat a lowly Burnley side. It’s pathetic.
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Not that black n white. And its why managers come and go. Leicester had a better squad. Deny it all you like.
Calvert lewin top scorer because of ancelloti no? Was he anywhere near the leagues top scorer under any previous manager.
 
Egil Olsen said:
Then he would never have used them again, and instead used players who are loyal to the system. If you are not loyal to the system, you are done. He makes no compromises.

This style also has its clear weaknesses. In the long run, players are burned out and demotivated. You depend on having a very good relationship with the players. It would have been a lot of fun to watch Everton's training sessions. To see how this is done. Ancelotti is a disciple of Sacchi, and Sacchi's training consisted of endless and repetitive exercises.
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Easy to ‘never use them again’ when you have a wealth of other options and the financial position just to discard 75 million pounds worth of assets. Ancelotti has neither.

Some of that is his own fault for letting Walcott and Kean out of the door (although neither were contributing much to Everton, and we have no idea if we needed to free up wages for new signings) but the rest of it isn’t.

We can’t afford to let Tosun sit here on his hefty wages and run his contract down. At best we sell him at worst we loan him out, no one will take him if he’s not even making the squad every week when we have no other options. Similar for Sigurdsson.

If Ancelotti could just discard all the players he didn’t want he’d be left with about 8 or 9 players and 4 of those he brought in. Sadly he can’t, he has to make do and mend until we can transfer deadwood out of the club and bring in players who will contribute. That’s why it’s a long term job and it’s probably why the board have finally given it to a very experienced pragmatic manager rather than an ideologue who will come in, demand players for his system at the cost of our financial health, and then it’s all completely redundant in three years time because no one else can follow it. Ancelotti left a squad at Madrid that Zidane then won multiple trophies with. That has to be his legacy at Everton as well because until we flush out the legacy debt Koeman left us with, we can’t afford a short term fixer upper manager.
 

Gilbert.. said:
Not that black n white. And its why managers come and go. Leicester had a better squad. Deny it all you like.
Calvert lewin top scorer because of ancelloti no? Was he anywhere near the leagues top scorer under any previous manager.
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Except you can’t prove they did because we finished above them.

I’d say Duncan Ferguson’s influence on DCL is very telling.

The lad is 23, he improved with age like a lot of players do. Did you expect him to be one of the top scorers at 20?
 
GwladysBlue said:
Except you can’t prove they did because we finished above them.

I’d say Duncan Ferguson’s influence on DCL is very telling.

The lad is 23, he improved with age like a lot of players do. Did you expect him to be one of the top scorers at 20?
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Duncan ferguson was here when calvert lewin was nowhere near leagues top scorer.
We get it. It would kill you to say ancelloti has had any impact on him.
 
I do not think Ancelotti will be going anywhere. I do not think he should be either as there is still so much time for him to improve things. BUT, the right manager isn't always the best manager.

When working with the best players, he is one of the best. Maybe the best. Maybe even the best coach of all time. This is a very different job. He may be working with players who do not have the capacity to understand his instructions, or they do understand but are unable to enact them.

Ancelotti has not had to do a rebuilding job like this before, he is used to working with the best players. In that sense, he is maybe inexperienced and working with a squad which has more lower quality players than he has ever had before. He is maybe less experienced than other managers who have won a lot less trophies than he has.

There are some managers who win not much or even nothing, who make careers out of building teams from low quality squads but can only take them so far. This does not make them bad managers, it just means that their style is not always suited to working with the best players at the top. Could the opposite be true for the top managers? Maybe.
 
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luuk_deventer said:
I do not think Ancelotti will be going anywhere. I do not think he should be either as there is still so much time for him to improve things. BUT, the right manager isn't always the best manager.

At working with the best players, he is one of the best. Maybe the best. Maybe even the best coach of all time. This is a very different job. He may be working with players who do not have the capacity to understand his instructions, or they do understand but are unable to enact them.

Ancelotti has not had to do a rebuilding job like this before, he is used to working with the best players. In that sense, he is maybe inexperienced and working with a squad which has more lower quality players than he has ever had before. He is maybe less experienced than other managers who have won a lot less trophies than he has.
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I think thats pretty much right.
What he can do for the next few windows is bring players in of a quality that wouldnt have come to Everton under previous managers. His one window brought in rodriguez and allan. They aint coming to Everton if ancelloti isnt here. If over another two windows he can add 3/4 players like that. Mixed in with some younger players hopefuly the balance is there.
Either way this is a tough job for anyone. Our recruitment has been so bad whoever had the task of coming in and having to slowly get rid of all the overpayed poor players brought in has a job on their hands.
Its a 2/3 year task alone.
 

Saint Domingo said:
Easy to ‘never use them again’ when you have a wealth of other options and the financial position just to discard 75 million pounds worth of assets. Ancelotti has neither.

Some of that is his own fault for letting Walcott and Kean out of the door (although neither were contributing much to Everton, and we have no idea if we needed to free up wages for new signings) but the rest of it isn’t.

We can’t afford to let Tosun sit here on his hefty wages and run his contract down. At best we sell him at worst we loan him out, no one will take him if he’s not even making the squad every week when we have no other options. Similar for Sigurdsson.

If Ancelotti could just discard all the players he didn’t want he’d be left with about 8 or 9 players and 4 of those he brought in. Sadly he can’t, he has to make do and mend until we can transfer deadwood out of the club and bring in players who will contribute. That’s why it’s a long term job and it’s probably why the board have finally given it to a very experienced pragmatic manager rather than an ideologue who will come in, demand players for his system at the cost of our financial health, and then it’s all completely redundant in three years time because no one else can follow it. Ancelotti left a squad at Madrid that Zidane then won multiple trophies with. That has to be his legacy at Everton as well because until we flush out the legacy debt Koeman left us with, we can’t afford a short term fixer upper manager.
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Bielsa is not known for having trained top clubs, but for making "mediocre" players better. So he has never had wealth of other options. I think we end the Bielsa discussion there.

In any case, it would have been interesting to see how Ancelotti's training sessions are set up, and what the focus is. It will also be interesting to see how Ancelotti solves the coming period, how he sets up the team, and whether he rotates. There will be some season-defining matches.
 
Big Sams Undies said:
Let’s be honest...

Every single Evertonian would have been disappointed with our current position this time last year when Carlo came in, especially if you’d said that we’d bought a whole new CM, kept Richarlison, signed James and had the in-form PL striker up front for us.

To suggest otherwise is pretty ridiculous.

Nobody was realistically expecting a title challenge but to still not have a defined style of play, look the most unfit team in the league and failure to beat relegation fodder... Come on lads.

The one positive so far in terms of on-pitch progress is the development of DCL.
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I don’t think anybody can argue with this view at all.

Especially after the performances against Fulham and Burnley, which to be honest were both looking 50/50 as to whether we’d hold on in both.
 
We have got to get rid of this slopping shoulders mentality when our play is not coming off during games.

The talent is there, the collective will of the team is not.
 
I really hope he goes "chips in" on the League Cup game against United.

A top 10 league position with our depth is probably right so a semi-final berth can really lift the spirits and help accelerate progress.

The quicker we remove the 25 years without a trophy stigma, the quicker we can actually start believing that we won't be indefinitely cursed.
 

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