2020/21 Carlo Ancelotti

[TheSecondComing]

Use the youth.

 

[Papa Shango]

it’s not even the worst performance at Goodison this season. This sort of hyperbole is getting over the top. It wasn’t that bad

The first 30 minutes were an absolute disgrace.

It wasn't Tranmere 0-3 or Coventry City 0-2 or anything but it was clearly very bad.

 

[Saint Domingo]

The first 30 minutes were an absolute disgrace.

It wasn't Tranmere 0-3 or Coventry City 0-2 or anything but it was clearly very bad.

Undoubtedly but it’s not always down to the manager. Keane mishit his first three passes of the ball and gave each of them straight to the opposition. What part of that is Carlo’s fault? There’s some players there that aren’t good enough talent wise and mentally aren’t suited to high pressure games. Ancelotti doesn’t have much choice at the moment but to play them and try and do the best he can. They’ve seen three managers fired though for a reason, some are extremely poor.

 

[bump54]

I mean I have commented on that seperately. Thats not a tactical thing or a Carlo thing though. It's a players mistake thing. I don't mean it disrespectfully, but I'm not sure if you've played the game much? You are always taught,from a young age, that at least 1 player has to hold the middle of the pitch. You do that at under 12. 3 players, for different reasons vacate that space. Thats not tactical from Ancelotti, it's braindead players, not thinking, probably out of mental fatigue.

Sigurdsson couldn't do it any longer, but he's on for penalties and the odd set piece chance. Doucoure makes a rash call to go and chase a ball. Davies the sees the above 2 mistakes and compounds it by dropping into the defensive line.

When I played, I played midfield, then moved back to CB or what might be a sweeper role where I'd organise our school and then district team. If you see Doucoure running off as he does, you just know you have to hold that position. From a CB pwrspective, it's horrendous, as there's a lad who's running at you, and you have no whether to go or press. As a CB you are focussed on marking your man, or you will go to the ball if it's your "side" in a worst case scenario. However it's dead centre, you don't know to leave it for the other guy. It's a horrendous situation. Becuase the people you want infront of you to press have vacated post.

What it's not though, is a plan from Ancelotti. He would have been clear to say hold that area of the pitch. Tired legs and tired minds kicked in.

These are good points, well expressed.I played a decent standard.Saw umpteen times that area of the pitch exposed.It is "basics".Christ we know pros been taught better.We ride that early onslaught and grow into the game.We did and then lacked a key element.Belief.Carlo must shift the mentality as he improves the quality.

 

[Frenk]

Love Ancelotti, but those comments after the game were baffling to say the least. ”It was a good performance” etc. What the heck was he watching? In no way whatsoever was that a good performance, it was appalling! Seriously Carlo, don’t talk poo.

 

[TimHowardsBeardJuice]

Love Ancelotti, but those comments after the game were baffling to say the least. ”It was a good performance” etc. What the heck was he watching? In no way whatsoever was that a good performance, it was appalling! Seriously Carlo, don’t talk poo.

We all gave Arteta stick for the same kind of crap and deservedly so.

The club that beat Chelsea, Leicester, and Arsenal without giving up a goal from open play was nowhere to be seen.

I think Coleman for Holgate was bad because it disrupted the solidity of the four-CB-at-the-back. Coleman did what Coleman has been doing for a decade but that pulled it out of shape.

Gomes was awful. I'd like to think that Davies would have done better in terms of just basic manning the post, which is what I said he does well in the Davies thread. But I don't know where the hell he was. Hanging around back with the CBs mostly. Not doing a job in the middle of the park.

We win that game with Allan. We also win it if the ref had eyeballs. But we deserved to lose.

 

[TimHowardsBeardJuice]

FWIW, I know it's completely insane, but watching Godfrey/Mina/Keane/Holgate I was thinking, "where does Digne fit in?" He may be our best player and he's one of the two or three best LB's in the PL, but if you put him in that commits us to a style of the fullbacks getting forward, right? And that's how we were giving up 2-3 goals a game before he got hurt. Attackers were getting in behind with regularity.

The way we played for those three games was completely different from the hot streak at the start of the season. How best to integrate?

 

[Goat]

FWIW, I know it's completely insane, but watching Godfrey/Mina/Keane/Holgate I was thinking, "where does Digne fit in?" He may be our best player and he's one of the two or three best LB's in the PL, but if you put him in that commits us to a style of the fullbacks getting forward, right? And that's how we were giving up 2-3 goals a game before he got hurt. Attackers were getting in behind with regularity.

The way we played for those three games was completely different from the hot streak at the start of the season. How best to integrate?

Where does the best Left Back in Europe play?

Thats a tough 1 that Tim.

 

[TimHowardsBeardJuice]

Where does the best Left Back in Europe play?

Thats a tough 1 that Tim.

Well duh.

But so we put our best player back in his position in the defence... but the defence was crap when he was playing there

hope it’s not so, is all.

 

[Zatara]

Aubameyang Partey Ozil and Gabriel all didn't play. Tierney wouldn't start for us over Digne. Ceballos is crap we just have a crap midfield too. Lacazette didn't start terrible Nketiah did. Saka is all hype no substance right now. Maybe in 3 years but not now for him.

That team is crap. I agree we're ahead because of Carlo but the squad is good enough to expect us to be better than them imo. I swear I've said on here going back months now I'd be angry to finish behind Arsenal and it is still true.

He's already been one of their best 3 players in every position in every game hes played in

United have a better team but they had a far superior plan today too. The way he dropped Matic into LCB to stop us from pressing them when building from deep, the way they moved fluidly to open up gaps in attack, the way they knew how to quickly make runs when they broke lines. They were quite good tonight and it is a credit to OGS.

Now Carlo had us playing good stuff for the first month of the season and he needs to get us back to that. But today he was beaten too.

We would be able to do the same, shuffle players into different positions.

Ancelotti has tried it but the midfielders such as Gomes, Delph, Sigurdsson and Iwobi arent good enough to play even slightly differently.

The only ones who can shift positions are Godfrey, Holgate and Richarlison.

 

[TheBigIguana]

He's already been one of their best 3 players in every position in every game hes played in




We would be able to do the same, shuffle players into different positions.

Ancelotti has tried it but the midfielders such as Gomes, Delph, Sigurdsson and Iwobi arent good enough to play even slightly differently.

The only ones who can shift positions are Godfrey, Holgate and Richarlison.

Saka being a top 3 Arsenal player is like Pickford being a top 3 Everton keeper. Really pretty meaningless. The kid has potential but the actual product at this point is not matching the hype.

The switching players positions wasn't really important in what I was saying. More just saying OGS did things to solve what Ancelotti did and we didn't have a response.

Letting the steam die down I'm definitely being too harsh but I still feel like when you're second best and never switch the system in a meaningful way it isn't good, missing important players or not. But it was a hard job.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Where does the best Left Back in Europe play?

Thats a tough 1 that Tim.

This system is not good enough defensively to not play our good attackers. Digne and James are back in the exact moment they're fit.

 

[Drumblue]

Where does the best Left Back in Europe play?

Thats a tough 1 that Tim.

He plays left back and Godfrey centre back, with a new up and down right back.The other centre back is up up for grabs?

 

[Gilbert..]

We all gave Arteta stick for the same kind of crap and deservedly so.

The club that beat Chelsea, Leicester, and Arsenal without giving up a goal from open play was nowhere to be seen.

I think Coleman for Holgate was bad because it disrupted the solidity of the four-CB-at-the-back. Coleman did what Coleman has been doing for a decade but that pulled it out of shape.

Gomes was awful. I'd like to think that Davies would have done better in terms of just basic manning the post, which is what I said he does well in the Davies thread. But I don't know where the hell he was. Hanging around back with the CBs mostly. Not doing a job in the middle of the park.

We win that game with Allan. We also win it if the ref had eyeballs. But we deserved to lose.

You are basically quoting how poor our squad is and then having a pop at the manager for last night. The options available to the two managers last night was prince and pauper. He's getting blood out of a stone from them in the league. In the cup one manager brought in 9 fresh legged expensive signings. The other didnt. He couldnt.
Get ready for the same v man city next monday. Im gona go with at least 5/6 of their line up wont be playing from the previous game 48 hours earlier. Ours will.
We cant compete with some clubs squad wise. It makes a big difference.
Surely any clued up Everton fan can see that.

 

[JMT]

United made 8 changes and that starting 11 is enough to beat 90% of teams in the league, we are relying on the same 11 for 4 straight matches. Its defintely major factor but we still played crap and United deserved the win. Ancelotti hand is really tied with his selection.