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2017/18 Cenk Tosun

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Oh how people have short memories. Tosun isn't good enough, not up for it, lazy, waste of money etc. These points keep getting mentioned.

Now tell me, what happened to the last waste of money striker who was lazy, didn't try or wasn't good enough for the premier league?

..........

He is our first choice striker, the difference between aiming for 7th and the relegation zone and a lot of people have had to put their tail between their legs on his role at the club, none least than the club itself.

So instead of writing tosun off over and over and over again because the manager tells you that, how about you demand he get given a chance to prove himself because maybe he might well be a good signing, as niasse has proven to be for us.
 

Kenshin said:
Oh how people have short memories. Tosun isn't good enough, not up for it, lazy, waste of money etc. These points keep getting mentioned.

Now tell me, what happened to the last waste of money striker who was lazy, didn't try or wasn't good enough for the premier league?

..........

He is our first choice striker, the difference between aiming for 7th and the relegation zone and a lot of people have had to put their tail between their legs on his role at the club, none least than the club itself.

So instead of writing tosun off over and over and over again because the manager tells you that, how about you demand he get given a chance to prove himself because maybe he might well be a good signing, as niasse has proven to be for us.
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Neither of them would get into the squads of the top 6 teams in the league. This is where the problem lies for us right now. We claim to be a club who wants to challenge but we continue to buy players who aren't capable of doing that.

With the best will in the world both of them might work hard and do a job for the team but surely £30m has to start being spent in a better way if we want to do anything other than finish in the top half.
 
dannyboy said:
Neither of them would get into the squads of the top 6 teams in the league. This is where the problem lies for us right now. We claim to be a club who wants to challenge but we continue to buy players who aren't capable of doing that.
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Reckon we have two maybe three players that could possibly get into top 6, Gilfy Rooney Walcott. However, we are not in the position to attract required number players with skill set as those mentioned, with punts on Keane Tosun etc. Even Spurs relative newcomers to the top 4 have had seven transfer windows assembling their squad with current manager.
 
NilSatisOptimum said:
Reckon we have two maybe three players that could possibly get into top 6, Gilfy Rooney Walcott. However, we are not in the position to attract required number players with skill set as those mentioned, with punts on Keane Tosun etc. Even Spurs relative newcomers to the top 4 have had seven transfer windows assembling their squad with current manager.
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Yeah they have and it will take time. I just can't fathom the Tosun signing after the summer transfer window we had. Another player who needed time to adapt isn't what we needed.
 
It amazes me that we wait two windows to sign the striker we have desperately needed since Lukaku went, pay £27m for the privilege (not arsed about the full breakdown of the fee) then after not even two full games and some training sessions decide he’s actually worse than what we already have.

How can this not be the final straw for us to totally restructure not just the staff, but our entire scouting and transfer system?
 

Bungle said:
Can some of the Turkish lads give us the lowdown on Cenk please? What can we expect from him in the remaining games of the season and next season?

Guys?
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My sarcasm senses are tingling but I will reply anyway.

By this time you must have understood that Cenk is not one of those players who are OK with their positions in the team as long as they are making decent money. He will fight his way back into the striker position. I have written it many times before but I will repeat again.

2015-16 season: Very first game of the season, Cenk scores an excellent hat-trick just after Mario Gomez joined the team but not ready to play yet. Next game Cenk is benched because you know, it is Mario [Poor language removed] Gomez. Gomez struggles to score for 4 weeks, everyone thinks Cenk is way too demoralized to continue now but whenever he comes off the bench, he makes a massive contribution. At the end of the season, coach says "I am very upset about not being able to give Cenk more time, he worked very hard". Gomez scored 26 goals that season and was expected to stay for the next one.

2016-17 season: Gomez leaves, Aboubakar joins late but gets the striker position back from Cenk. Don't remember the stats yet but Abou wasted lots of chances and had 4 goals in his name at the end of the first half of the season. Cenk, yet again, did not make a fuss about not being preferred above Abou and takes the jersey back at the second half of the season, contributing massively to being the champions again.

2017-18 season: Yet again, another big name joins Besiktas, Alvaro Negredo. I am aware Negredo has been in the decline but Gomez was also, so put yourself in the position of Cenk and you will find yourself being worried about not getting enough game time and get way too demoralized, remembering the Gomez season. Cenk did not falter, Negredo seriously struggled to take the striker position and everyone was thinking "Cenk is the first striker now" after his performances in the UCL games.

So, having seen Demba Ba, Gomez, Aboubakar and Negredo, Cenk did not stop working, not even once. He did not cry and whine, just continued to work. I seriously doubt Niasse and DCL will make him stop working, in fact, he will work his ass of now more than ever. He is aware of what Premier League means for his career.
 
NilSatisOptimum said:
Reckon we have two maybe three players that could possibly get into top 6, Gilfy Rooney Walcott. However, we are not in the position to attract required number players with skill set as those mentioned, with punts on Keane Tosun etc. Even Spurs relative newcomers to the top 4 have had seven transfer windows assembling their squad with current manager.
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Keane, Coleman and Pickford would get in too - squads at least. Man U were in for Keane when he signed for us
 
Kenshin said:
Oh how people have short memories. Tosun isn't good enough, not up for it, lazy, waste of money etc. These points keep getting mentioned.

Now tell me, what happened to the last waste of money striker who was lazy, didn't try or wasn't good enough for the premier league?

..........

He is our first choice striker, the difference between aiming for 7th and the relegation zone and a lot of people have had to put their tail between their legs on his role at the club, none least than the club itself.

So instead of writing tosun off over and over and over again because the manager tells you that, how about you demand he get given a chance to prove himself because maybe he might well be a good signing, as niasse has proven to be for us.
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Has a point.

I still don't think Niasse is the answer, but he's proved a tons better than I ever expected.

Give Tosun some time - he's a victim of crippling short-termism at the club.
 

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