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CLUB NOTES: Man City

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City need to start being honest with themselves. There not a big club, they never have been. Big clubs are distinguished by the trophy cabinets (real trophies not mickey mouse cups).

Highest division honours list:

18 - Liverpool, United
13 - Arsenal
9 - Everton
7 - Villa
6 - Sunderland
4 - Chelsea, Newcastle, Sheffield Wednesday
3 - Blackburn, Huddersfield Town, Leeds United, Wolverhampton Wndrs
2 - Burnley, Derby County, Manchester City, Porstmouth, Preston, Spurs.

Can they not see the disparity Between us? They're smalller than Sheffield Wednesday, Huddersfield, Leeds and Wolves.

level pegging with Burnley, Derby, Portsmouth and Preston. This is your level City don't forget it, now you have a bit of coin your only fighting above your weight.
 
It's like a tramp who wins a million pounds on a scratchcatd. He may suddenly flex his new spending power on luxury items in order to attain a cosmetic level of status that he perceives.

The money is finite, the tramp must remember.Although he may book the best table in the best restaurant in the country he still, indeed remains, a tramp. And nobody is fooled.
 
chicoazul said:
It's like a tramp who wins a million pounds on a scratchcatd. He may suddenly flex his new spending power on luxury items in order to attain a cosmetic level of status that he perceives.

The money is finite, the tramp must remember.Although he may book the best table in the best restaurant in the country he still, indeed remains, a tramp. And nobody is fooled.
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And one day that tramp will return to his cardboard box. It's like Blackburn, they may have won the league in '95 but nobody thinks they're a big club not even the few fans that can be arsed to turn up. Take note City.
 
Artetafan said:
Teams who have been in major cup finals over the last ten years. (Which is competing for trophies by anyones definition.)

Everton, Fulham, Boro, Millwall, Portsmouth, Cardiff, Villa, Tottenham, Wigan, Bolton, Blackburn, Leicester, Southampton, West Ham, Tranmere, and Birmingham.
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Sorry, I meant major trophies, which is what the FA Cup & League Cup are no longer.
 

nesky said:
Sorry, I meant major trophies, which is what the FA Cup & League Cup are no longer.
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I disagree but okay. The UEFA cup presumably isn't a major trophy to you either as both Boro and Fulham reached the final of that.

So basically you're arguing that City can't be successful until they compete for a ) the league or b ) the champions league and that you can't do either of those things without a lot of money.

Okay, again I disagree but thats beside the point because City haven't competed for either of those things yet even with their money. Last year they spent tons and reached 5th. Again just in the last decade Ipswich did that in their first year back in the top flight. Leeds, Newcastle and Tottenham have all finished in the top 5 more than once in the last decade. Hell, we've done it three times without spending much at all.

A well managed club can finish in the top 5 without spending a load of money. A well managed club can appear in cup finals and even win them without spending loads of money. A well managed club can break the top 4 without spending a lot of money (we did it). If the Top 4 was the closed shop you think it is 8 different clubs wouldn't have been in the top 4 positions over the last ten years.

To repeat myself, in the last decade: Millwall, Cardiff and Tranmere have made cup finals. City and their billions haven't. Boro, Leicester and Portsmouth have won cups. City and their billions haven't. Us and Spurs have broken into the top 4. City and their billions haven't.

How exactly is money the only possible way of achieving anything again?
 
SuffolkBlue said:
City need to start being honest with themselves. There not a big club, they never have been. Big clubs are distinguished by the trophy cabinets (real trophies not mickey mouse cups).

Highest division honours list:

18 - Liverpool, United
13 - Arsenal
9 - Everton
7 - Villa
6 - Sunderland
4 - Chelsea, Newcastle, Sheffield Wednesday
3 - Blackburn, Huddersfield Town, Leeds United, Wolverhampton Wndrs
2 - Burnley, Derby County, Manchester City, Porstmouth, Preston, Spurs.

Can they not see the disparity Between us? They're smalller than Sheffield Wednesday, Huddersfield, Leeds and Wolves.

level pegging with Burnley, Derby, Portsmouth and Preston. This is your level City don't forget it, now you have a bit of coin your only fighting above your weight.
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Sorry mate they are a MASSIVE club see the link below

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVWSj1X6FRw
 

Matt Damon said:
MASSIVE club they are. MASSIVE. Ya know? MASSIVE.
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Massive and huge

Massive huge and bigger than United, Everton, Liverpool, Barcelona, Real Madrid, put together

need a massive manager like Maclolm Alison in a huge massive camel skin coat
 
neville said:
Massive and huge

Massive huge and bigger than United, Everton, Liverpool, Barcelona, Real Madrid, put together

need a massive manager like Maclolm Alison in a huge massive camel skin coat
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Probably the hugest club ever level with Juve and United, but bigger than United. What a tool.
 
Artetafan said:
I disagree but okay. The UEFA cup presumably isn't a major trophy to you either as both Boro and Fulham reached the final of that.

So basically you're arguing that City can't be successful until they compete for a ) the league or b ) the champions league and that you can't do either of those things without a lot of money.

Okay, again I disagree but thats beside the point because City haven't competed for either of those things yet even with their money. Last year they spent tons and reached 5th. Again just in the last decade Ipswich did that in their first year back in the top flight. Leeds, Newcastle and Tottenham have all finished in the top 5 more than once in the last decade. Hell, we've done it three times without spending much at all.

A well managed club can finish in the top 5 without spending a load of money. A well managed club can appear in cup finals and even win them without spending loads of money. A well managed club can break the top 4 without spending a lot of money (we did it). If the Top 4 was the closed shop you think it is 8 different clubs wouldn't have been in the top 4 positions over the last ten years.

To repeat myself, in the last decade: Millwall, Cardiff and Tranmere have made cup finals. City and their billions haven't. Boro, Leicester and Portsmouth have won cups. City and their billions haven't. Us and Spurs have broken into the top 4. City and their billions haven't.

How exactly is money the only possible way of achieving anything again?
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Nic try, but you haven't refuted my argument. For clarity, let me state unambiguously that I'm talking about winning league titles and the CL, which are the true benchmarks for the level of greatness that City, ourselves and just about every other big club aspires to. No well-managed, non-moneyed club has come within a mile of either for a long, long time and they won't any time soon for the "glass ceiling" reasons so lamented by our very own manager last summer. The only answer is the route City are taking and it is ENTIRELY JUSTIFIED given the reasoned context I gave.
 
nesky said:
Nic try, but you haven't refuted my argument. For clarity, let me state unambiguously that I'm talking about winning league titles and the CL, which are the true benchmarks for the level of greatness that City, ourselves and just about every other big club aspires to. No well-managed, non-moneyed club has come within a mile of either for a long, long time and they won't any time soon for the "glass ceiling" reasons so lamented by our very own manager last summer. The only answer is the route City are taking and it is ENTIRELY JUSTIFIED given the reasoned context I gave.
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I repeat, is the FA Cup not important now? When did we turn into Newcastle United?

Lay off the gospel of SSN mate, it's distorting your view.
 
chicoazul said:
I repeat, is the FA Cup not important now? When did we turn into Newcastle United?

Lay off the gospel of SSN mate, it's distorting your view.
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Pathetic straw clutching. I am talking exclusively within the context of the title and the CL. Tottenham have won far more FA Cups than us, and all manner of other lesser clubs have won it too, but does that trophy make them any of them world renowned name or a great club? So for the umpteenth friggin' time, stop shifting the goalposts and try to stay on focus.

And as for regurgitating SSN, that's exactly what all the City-bashers are doing, parroting the pro Man United / Pro LFC agenda from the media.

Bottom line: for a non-elite club to win the CL or the Premiership, there is no other way than the way City are doing it because, like us, they were unable to be "first to market" when the game was blossoming into a global product.
 

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