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Colin Powell backs Barack Obama!

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Can't help chuckling at the bizarre concept of there being a "far left" with any voice in American politics. I know it has to be taken in context but the American "left" would be described as nothing more extreme than "liberal" in British terms.
 
Interesting blog from Justin Webb on the McCain/Palin ticket. Webb is a good reporter and I take his view quite seriously, which is essentially this: Palin as a running mate has been a huge mistake for McCain and will cost him the election. Powell might well have stayed silent if McCain had chosen a more robust, intelligent deputy (story below).

BBC NEWS | The Reporters | Justin Webb

Palin disaster, Powell endorsement


  • Justin Webb
  • 20 Oct 08, 03:18 AM GMT
She's not funny and she's not clever. And it is time to say clearly that she has probably lost this contest for McCain.
Sarah Palin is indeed a disaster for the presidential ambitions of John McCain. This is not opinion: it is fact. During the height of Palin mania - with some in the British press suggesting she was the new Margaret Thatcher - I wrote this piece for The Times suggesting that she was on the ticket "to serve a purpose but not to serve in office" and that social conservatism could not and would not drive the nation this year.
Well, the trouble for McCain is that the nation will not buy the idea that she can - Quayle-like - just serve quietly in the shadows. She might become president. That is what has driven thinking Republicans to despair this season. Now this. If Lieberman were the choice, or even Romney, I wonder if Powell would have stayed quiet?

Anyway it is probably too late now. I notice even in Arizona - McCain's home state - the latest poll suggests a less than double digit lead for the Republican candidate. This Obama strength in the oddest of places is a sign of his power but also a hint of a crisis if McCain were to pull off a win in the electoral college: McCain cannot win the popular vote, can he? Obama can only lose by messing up in Ohio and Florida and Pennsylvania. And that mess-up would be precipitate a full-scale political crisis...
 
bloggers on far left-wing sites aren't representative of what the actual barack obama campaign supports. i was mainly focused with my original post on official campaign ads, the kind with "I"m barack obama/ john mccain and i approved this message" at the end. it is difficult for me to look at this from an objective standpoint as i am an obama supporter, but its a statement of fact that the mccain campaign began using official campaign attack ads much sooner than the historical precedent, and definitely earlier on in the campaign than the obama campaign did.

i don't feel like digging up the article now, but immediately after the scandal with sara palin's daughter's pregnancy, Obama declared that family was off-limits for this campaign, and you can't fault him for the fact that some of his supporters didn't listen to this (though i do believe it is somewhat relevant as she is such a staunch supporter of abstinence only sex-education.)

and its really not like conservatives haven't made their fair share of attacks, implying first that he is dishonest about his faith, and that if he was a muslim, it would for some reason make a difference, which is beyond me. at a mccain rally when a woman said that obama was an "arab", Mccain said that it wasn't true, and that he is a decent family man, though i'm don't quite believe that the two terms are mutually exclusive.

lets face it, negativity in campaigns doesn't follow party lines, and stating "fact" after something you say doesn't automatically make it so. to assume that all left leaning people are these despicable human beings with no boundaries of decency is ridiculous, there are good and bad people who believe different things. the mccain campaign this year has been more negative than campaigns of the past, that can be objectively measured by the amount of attack-focused advertisements that have been run. other democratic campaigns in the past have been much more negative, the issue really has nothing to do with party affiliation, so don't try to make a false association.

Completely lost any chance of credibility with that first statement right there.

The beliefs of bloggers and posters on left wing sites such as Daily Kos and Democratic Underground are ABSOLUTELY what the Obama campaign supports. Where do you think they get half of the special interest funding? Mom and pop down the street in suburban USA? Really?

Obama is without question one of the most liberal members of the Senate (as evidenced by his voting record...the few times he actually bothered to vote) and one of the most liberal candidates ever for POTUS.

Oh, you may be near some sembalance of a factual statement when you say that his "campaign" doesn't represent that but why is that? Perhaps he can't afford to let his true colors show until after the election? Hmmm...I wonder why? I mean why can't Obama just come right out and campaign on a platform of gay marriage/pro choice?

And McCain is running a "negative" campaign for pointing out the obvious flaws of a candidate of Obama? Associations with people such as Ayers, Wright, and Rezko? Negative or just pointing out those pesky facts again?

We get a laugh on the right when the Obama supporters point that out. That it's "racist" or "negative" to clearly demonstrate that Obama isn't fit to be POTUS. Oooooh...those eeeeeevil Rethuglicans. Bastards.

As for the second statement, there's a difference between left "leaning" and left wing. Funny how the radicals in this country tend to come from the left wing isn't it? I mean how many right wingers in this country state just rabid sentiments the way the lefties do in this country? Not many I can assure you.





And if you doubt the veracity of that statement, please feel free to browse the net and find all of the comments attributable to those of us who are radical right wingers who state such memes like:
  • Bush will do away with the election to get a third term.
  • The Iraq War was ALL about Halliburton and Oil
  • Republicans will institute the draft if elected.
  • Republicans will round up all of the "dissenters" once they're in power and send them to "re-education camps." (That one's a favorite of mine.
  • 9/11 was an inside job.
  • The election was rigged via Diebold voting machines (that's a favorite too as it's very clear that left "leaning" organization ACORN is clearly (that's "factually" to you) committing voter fraud. Thankfully the FBI is on the case but I'm sure something won't come of it until after the election. Just in time to have my vote cancelled out. (n)
I could go on and on but I think you catch my drift. You don't see those sort of idiotic and frankly stupid comments from the right. Yeah, we'll have the occasional gaffe as no party is perfect but let me tell you something. We haven't based our political party around that sort of thought process. Unfortunately, the Dems have evolved over the years to the point of catering to the extreme left. It's their base. Even they'll tell you that.

You show me a left "leaning" person that doesn't believe one of the many talking points that the left has thrown out over the years and I'll show you someone who isn't left at all but either moderate/center or "leaning" to the right.

It's interesting. Awhile back I heard an interesting point that I think we've all heard by now. The saying goes:

"Not all muslims are terrorists but it's funny how all terrorists are muslims."

Well maybe not all Obama supporters are left wing but it's funny how all left wingers (beliefs and all) support Obama.
 
can you show me a quote of obama using the race card?

That's a favorite of the left.

He hasn't.

But his supporters have called out the right for being racist over and over and over again.

I mean I can't begin to list the number of left wing commentators in this country who play the race card when criticizing the GOP or when valid (read "negative") concerns are raised about an Obama presidency.

Please don't make me gather a list and link them all here. I'm confident that you yourself have read several of these as I suspect you follow the politics in this country quite closely.
 
Can't help chuckling at the bizarre concept of there being a "far left" with any voice in American politics. I know it has to be taken in context but the American "left" would be described as nothing more extreme than "liberal" in British terms.

So I've been told. :lol:
 

Interesting blog from Justin Webb on the McCain/Palin ticket. Webb is a good reporter and I take his view quite seriously, which is essentially this: Palin as a running mate has been a huge mistake for McCain and will cost him the election. Powell might well have stayed silent if McCain had chosen a more robust, intelligent deputy (story below).

BBC NEWS | The Reporters | Justin Webb

Palin disaster, Powell endorsement


  • Justin Webb
  • 20 Oct 08, 03:18 AM GMT
She's not funny and she's not clever. And it is time to say clearly that she has probably lost this contest for McCain.
Sarah Palin is indeed a disaster for the presidential ambitions of John McCain. This is not opinion: it is fact. During the height of Palin mania - with some in the British press suggesting she was the new Margaret Thatcher - I wrote this piece for The Times suggesting that she was on the ticket "to serve a purpose but not to serve in office" and that social conservatism could not and would not drive the nation this year.
Well, the trouble for McCain is that the nation will not buy the idea that she can - Quayle-like - just serve quietly in the shadows. She might become president. That is what has driven thinking Republicans to despair this season. Now this. If Lieberman were the choice, or even Romney, I wonder if Powell would have stayed quiet?

Anyway it is probably too late now. I notice even in Arizona - McCain's home state - the latest poll suggests a less than double digit lead for the Republican candidate. This Obama strength in the oddest of places is a sign of his power but also a hint of a crisis if McCain were to pull off a win in the electoral college: McCain cannot win the popular vote, can he? Obama can only lose by messing up in Ohio and Florida and Pennsylvania. And that mess-up would be precipitate a full-scale political crisis...

Shocker and from the BBC of all news organizations.


Not really. :D
 
McCain has run a stinker of a campaign though, I'm sure even you have to admit that Bill. I'm amazed that he hasn't at least mentioned the fact that if Obama wins then the Democrats will control both houses, which generally isn't very good for the democratic process, especially when Obama pretty much always follows the party line with his voting record.

With Obama being the man he is he must have known that it wasn't the social conservatives that he had to convince to vote Republican in order to win, but the floating voters that McCain appealed to before this campaign started. Instead he seems to have moved away from the turf he so often occupied before the election campaign.

I don't really get the hero worship that follows Obama around. He's an excellent orator but that surely isn't enough for such devotion by so many? It does seem likely, bar some miraculous cock up on his part, that he will win the election and it will be nice for America to take a better lead in world affairs than she has done under Bush. I get very nervous about his economic plans however and detest the way he ran out the rhetoric so easily when fighting Hilary, only to back track towards the centre in the main election. Style over substance is an easy accusation to throw at the man, especially in this soundbite driven age. I guess only time will tell if the mud sticks.
 
I'm not getting into the politics of all this because I'm tired of it all, to be honest. Not the American election in particular, but politics in general. But I think Webb does draw attention to something that would bug me if I was a voter, even if I was a Republican. Palin does not strike me as a president, not even one in interim. Hell, I wouldn't even trust her on the back benches. So what possessed McCain to go for what is appearing to be a big liability? It must have occurred to him that at 71, many people would not only judge his skills as a leader, but also those of the person who would take over, should McCain's health wane. Was he so stuck up his own back passage that he ignored the advice of senior Republicans? Because I'm betting that many in the party would have advised the senator that this move was bad, bad, bad. It appears that McCain has handed victory to Obama.
 
In the cool still of the Texan nights, when the breezes from the Gulf waft slowly over the bodies of your loved ones, do you ever wake and think that maybe it's you who are the extremist, TXBill?







Nahh, thought not...
 

In the cool still of the Texan nights, when the breezes from the Gulf waft slowly over the bodies of your loved ones, do you ever wake and think that maybe it's you who are the extremist, TXBill?


Nahh, thought not...

TX is a good person and has the sense to accept that others differ from him on politics, mate. He isn't an extremist by any stretch of the imagination. It's just that those Texan boys like to shoot from the hip. :P:lol:
 
I realise that, Neb. I was just pulling his short-and-curlies because he's happy about dishing it out as well to his political opponents. (I would have used a smiley but I'm afraid of the wrath of the Cuban one...)
 
I realise that, Neb. I was just pulling his short-and-curlies because he's happy about dishing it out as well to his political opponents. (I would have used a smiley but I'm afraid of the wrath of the Cuban one...)

Maybe we can start a TX Bill appreciation society? :D
 
In the cool still of the Texan nights, when the breezes from the Gulf waft slowly over the bodies of your loved ones, do you ever wake and think that maybe it's you who are the extremist, TXBill?







Nahh, thought not...

Oh absolutely.

Christians are being accused of being extremists and intolerant on a regular basis. That's been going on for years.

But lets be very clear Atrottel. When you use the word "extremist," it's certainly not the right wing spewing extremist views. Unless of course you believe that Pro Life and anti Illegal Immigration are extreme views. Or how about a reduction in gov't spending and less government vs. more government. Extreme? That's predominately standard operating procedure of those on the left side of the aisle in this country.

Tell you what. One of the blogs I read regularly is called Right Wing News. I know, shocking.

Occasionally, the guy who runs the blog will go on to Kos or DU and pull comments that are made by their posters and put them on his board for all to see.

Now I understand that a select group of comments don't represent everyone on the site but something about group think comes to mind. Funny as he's able to do this on a fairly regular basis. What I'm saying is that it's not a one-off.

If you and the other libs on there aren't already regular members of sites like those, then you might not know what I'm talking about. Next time he does it, I'll link it so that you can see what I'm talking about.

Extreme indeed.
 

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