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Conspiracy theories

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dholliday said:
This particular conspiracy theory isn't that Covid-19 will kill off most of the population. It's the vaccines that will. The most calm version of this I've heard is that the vaccines reduce protein-development in the placenta of expectant mothers, preventing the development of an embryo. So in effect a 'harmless' reduction of the population by means of making most women infertile. A method covered by the cult telly, Utopia.


This way, you don't need many people behind it. Just those that developed the vaccines, and those who ordered its development. The rest will be none the wiser until a year or two down the line when we realise a seriously-reduced birth-rate.
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And this where most conspiracy theories fall down for me.
A handful of people have managed to dupe the best minds in the world, apart from Bob down the road, who figured it all out by watching a dozen youtube videos and doing his own research
 

How has India got the Delta variant under control with less than 4% of it's population vaccinated?

At the begining of May it was registering 500k new cases per DAY. 6 weeks later it's less than 60k.
Cases have halved in the last 2 weeks.

Is the evidence being suppressed?



 
WA Toffee said:
And this where most conspiracy theories fall down for me.
A handful of people have managed to dupe the best minds in the world, apart from Bob down the road, who figured it all out by watching a dozen youtube videos and doing his own research
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...many of those "best minds in the world" are not immune to compromised ethics in the face of big money 'research grant' bribes. And those that are immune are simply ignored/not published. There has been ample evidence of such 'censorship by exclusion' this past 12 months.
 
Blueboy57 said:
There's a bloke in work who's forever spouting off about covid being one big cover up to eliminate about 80% of the world's population via the vaccine & 5G. The thing is, he's quite an intelligent fellah in his early 50's but my god he's really convinced that those of us who've been vaccinated are going to die a slow, painful death in the next 2 to 3 years. I gave him the benefit of the doubt at first & listened to what he had to say. Finally I put forward to him - via a text - the reasons why I believe he is wrong. Which are as follows :

* Most of the people who get covid eventually recover from it. The scientists themselves have actually stated that it's a relatively mild virus. So if the virus is man-made, why didn't they just make it more potent rather than faffing about putting up 5G masts all over the place in order to kill people off ?

* To execute a worldwide genocide on such a scale would involve leaders from all across the world to get involved. This just isn't feasible. To believe every world leader across the globe would sanction the deaths of millions of its own citizens is ridiculous. Not taking into account that it would have to involve many people including people like the police force, army etc. How would they feel at the prospect of helping to bump off family & friends ?

* Over the past decades scientists have been working hard to improve the overall health & wellbeing of humans, to such an extent that people in general, live a lot longer than they did 50+ years ago. So are we now to believe that the same scientists are now involved in the mass execution of the human race ?

I sent him the text a couple of weeks ago. He's yet to reply.
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dholliday said:
This particular conspiracy theory isn't that Covid-19 will kill off most of the population. It's the vaccines that will. The most calm version of this I've heard is that the vaccines reduce protein-development in the placenta of expectant mothers, preventing the development of an embryo. So in effect a 'harmless' reduction of the population by means of making most women infertile. A method covered by the cult telly, Utopia.


This way, you don't need many people behind it. Just those that developed the vaccines, and those who ordered its development. The rest will be none the wiser until a year or two down the line when we realise a seriously-reduced birth-rate.
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Vaccines don’t work that way.
 
deipnosophist said:
...many of those "best minds in the world" are not immune to compromised ethics in the face of big money 'research grant' bribes. And those that are immune are simply ignored/not published. There has been ample evidence of such 'censorship by exclusion' this past 12 months.
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Yes, some scientific research is skewed towards a specific outcome, but it is still more trustworthy than Bob doing his own research on youtube
 
WA Toffee said:
Yes, some scientific research is skewed towards a specific outcome, but it is still more trustworthy than Bob doing his own research on youtube
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...more empirical and scientific , yes...but trustworthy?...debatable.

Sugar, and tobacco industries long funded 'research' demonstrating their product to be safe...even good for you. Big pharma and chemical Industries?...don't get me started.

The reality is that scientists and researchers are just like anyone else. They have emotions and biases and are not above ethical 'compromise'. They’re interested in getting ahead in their careers and in their financial 'accumulation'. And more than sometimes, some of them are willing to do and say things that are morally wrong because they believe in their own agenda and their ambitions around that.
 

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