Conspiracy theories

[verreauxi]

This is the soul crushing bit. The “good post this, thanks for clarifying” thing, then 2 posts later makes the same mistake, repeats the same lie, or just moves straight onto a new one, and you realise you’ve completely wasted your time.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Yes, 1000x this!

 

[verreauxi]

In any case, I'd love to hang around and see the typical DDoS attack response by a certain GOT member who is, to be sure, a noted expert on all things ever in the field of everything, but I need to board a plane for Madagascar early tomorrow and will be mercifully out of internet reach numerous sets of days until the end of August.
Have a good one folks.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

In any case, I'd love to hang around and see the typical DDoS attack response by a certain GOT member who is, to be sure, a noted expert on all things ever in the field of everything, but I need to board a plane for Madagascar early tomorrow and will be mercifully out of internet reach numerous sets of days until the end of August.
Have a good one folks.

Enjoy your time away.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Just read through today's chat in here

 

[Jebus_lives]

In any case, I'd love to hang around and see the typical DDoS attack response by a certain GOT member who is, to be sure, a noted expert on all things ever in the field of everything, but I need to board a plane for Madagascar early tomorrow and will be mercifully out of internet reach numerous sets of days until the end of August.
Have a good one folks.

Have a great time mate!

 

[dholliday]

I agree, but the link he provided for the UK data does seem to show that the % of deaths in vaccinated is lower than % of deaths in unvaccinated. The format of the data is not easy to read though so I might be making an error.

@verreauxi's data is firstly outdated (he's posted a lot of stuff from 2021...which was Delta and not as many boostered), and secondly he's posting USA data - which i haven't looked into in detail.

We need to take the last Calendar month available, to have the most up-to-date information. In UK's case we have May 2022 data, which as i've demonstrated reveal 85% death-rate for boostered, 94% for vaccinated overall...and only 6% death-rate for unvaccinated.


This, despite the flurry of efforts from @verreauxi, remains the simple facts of the most up-to-date information we have.


It should be sensational news...that it isn't is grimly-fascinating.

I'd love to know the credentials of these people who believe they are in a radical minority of truth seekers that don't conform.
Seriously, if you were a virologist, statician and both at the same time, then I mean fair enough, worth a listen, worth the time.
If you are just a gimp on a football forum, who fell down a rabbit hole, well, gonna be hard to convince me I am indoctrinated TBH.

Elitism.

It doesn't matter who is posting the data...what matters is the data...and what it may mean.

I'd have to look at their methods, but they do provide age-standardized deaths per X, but it doesn't show that there are more deaths among vaccinated, especially boosted ones at a cursory look. This is a section of their Table 3 data showing the Covid death rate among vaccination status. (Also, should be obvious, in case it comes up but the death rate among vaccinated isn't additive: you can't add up the numbers in the age-standardized rate column: 190.1 + 122 + 8.4 + 30.4...etc., to argue that there are more deaths among vaccinated than the unvaccinated (which equals 863.2), as this isn't what the numbers are meant to show.

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Your timescale used here is way off.

Stick to the last available Month, or 3 months if you prefer.

Using 2021 data to make a point now in July 2022 is irrelevant and misleading.

This is the soul crushing bit. The “good post this, thanks for clarifying” thing, then 2 posts later makes the same mistake, repeats the same lie, or just moves straight onto a new one, and you realise you’ve completely wasted your time.

Again, what mistake? What lie? Quote anything from my posts which is an actual mistake or lie.

You may disagree with my conclusions, but that doesn't make my conclusions a mistake, or a lie.

And if you feel weirdly soul-crushed from me appreciating your time and effort, then i just don't know what to say to that.


I will however quote a significant mistake you made. And i ask you again to clarify, and then to consider maybe it's your own use of data which is lacking:

it’s not big news. It was already known months ago. It was predicted when the vaccines first rolled out.

Your use of data is abysmal.

lol no...it was never predicted that there'd come a time when over 90% of Covid-deaths would be already-vaccinated.

Link me this prediction. If you can't find such a claim, it's because - logically - had we attempted to sell the idea of getting vaccinated with such a prediction, then nobody would've taken it.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

@verreauxi's data is firstly outdated (he's posted a lot of stuff from 2021...which was Delta and not as many boostered), and secondly he's posting USA data - which i haven't looked into in detail.

We need to take the last Calendar month available, to have the most up-to-date information. In UK's case we have May 2022 data, which as i've demonstrated reveal 85% death-rate for boostered, 94% for vaccinated overall...and only 6% death-rate for unvaccinated.


This, despite the flurry of efforts from @verreauxi, remains the simple facts of the most up-to-date information we have.


It should be sensational news...that it isn't is grimly-fascinating.



Elitism.

It doesn't matter who is posting the data...what matters is the data...and what it may mean.


Your timescale used here is way off.

Stick to the last available Month, or 3 months if you prefer.

Using 2021 data to make a point now in July 2022 is irrelevant and misleading.



Again, what mistake? What lie? Quote anything from my posts which is an actual mistake or lie.

You may disagree with my conclusions, but that doesn't make my conclusions a mistake, or a lie.

And if you feel weirdly soul-crushed from me appreciating your time and effort, then i just don't know what to say to that.


I will however quote a significant mistake you made. And i ask you again to clarify, and then to consider maybe it's your own use of data which is lacking:

Shut up Holliday you doofus

 

[Jebus_lives]

@verreauxi's data is firstly outdated (he's posted a lot of stuff from 2021...which was Delta and not as many boostered), and secondly he's posting USA data - which i haven't looked into in detail.

We need to take the last Calendar month available, to have the most up-to-date information. In UK's case we have May 2022 data, which as i've demonstrated reveal 85% death-rate for boostered, 94% for vaccinated overall...and only 6% death-rate for unvaccinated.


This, despite the flurry of efforts from @verreauxi, remains the simple facts of the most up-to-date information we have.


It should be sensational news...that it isn't is grimly-fascinating.



Elitism.

It doesn't matter who is posting the data...what matters is the data...and what it may mean.


Your timescale used here is way off.

Stick to the last available Month, or 3 months if you prefer.

Using 2021 data to make a point now in July 2022 is irrelevant and misleading.



Again, what mistake? What lie? Quote anything from my posts which is an actual mistake or lie.

You may disagree with my conclusions, but that doesn't make my conclusions a mistake, or a lie.

And if you feel weirdly soul-crushed from me appreciating your time and effort, then i just don't know what to say to that.


I will however quote a significant mistake you made. And i ask you again to clarify, and then to consider maybe it's your own use of data which is lacking:

There's a 94% death rate for vaccinated people?

We're all doomed!!!

 

[dholliday]

Shut up Holliday you doofus

bottom of the pyramid stuff here.

2-day ban.

 

[Wizard]

There's a 94% death rate for vaccinated people?

We're all doomed!!!

Are we all dead?

 

[Oddball]

My only comment is it’s not big news. It was already known months ago. It was predicted when the vaccines first rolled out.

Your use of data is abysmal.

it was predicted more people would die who had taken the vaccine??? did the scientists who developed the vaccines say that because it doesn`t seem to me to be a very good advertisement for their product

 

[Jebus_lives]

Are we all dead?

We're the lucky 6%

 

[matty1878]

everybody hates us

 

[Jebus_lives]

@verreauxi's data is firstly outdated (he's posted a lot of stuff from 2021...which was Delta and not as many boostered), and secondly he's posting USA data - which i haven't looked into in detail.

We need to take the last Calendar month available, to have the most up-to-date information. In UK's case we have May 2022 data, which as i've demonstrated reveal 85% death-rate for boostered, 94% for vaccinated overall...and only 6% death-rate for unvaccinated.


This, despite the flurry of efforts from @verreauxi, remains the simple facts of the most up-to-date information we have.


It should be sensational news...that it isn't is grimly-fascinating.



Elitism.

It doesn't matter who is posting the data...what matters is the data...and what it may mean.


Your timescale used here is way off.

Stick to the last available Month, or 3 months if you prefer.

Using 2021 data to make a point now in July 2022 is irrelevant and misleading.



Again, what mistake? What lie? Quote anything from my posts which is an actual mistake or lie.

You may disagree with my conclusions, but that doesn't make my conclusions a mistake, or a lie.

And if you feel weirdly soul-crushed from me appreciating your time and effort, then i just don't know what to say to that.


I will however quote a significant mistake you made. And i ask you again to clarify, and then to consider maybe it's your own use of data which is lacking:

Am I right in thinking that you're questioning why more deaths are occuring among vaccinated and boostered individuals than non vaccinated people, when around 92-95% of the population are vaccinated?

 

[dholliday]

it was predicted more people would die who had taken the vaccine??? did the scientists who developed the vaccines say that because it doesn`t seem to me to be a very good advertisement for their product

not just more, but 94% of total Covid-deaths.


But look at the push-back even this factual information is getting.

Astonishing, really.