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verreauxi said:
I got no truck with @magicjuan, he seemed to be asking me to agree with something I found preposterous. I apologize to him. I'll stop being a prick from here on out.
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There is no issue, I am not asking you to agree with anything, just to consider things outside of 'convention', I.e. the maths point, 2 singular items joined together make a 3rd identity, the way alchemists would consider it millenia ago. There are two ways of seeing it, as a conventional addition or the creation of a 3rd item.

Bon voyage ;)
 
verreauxi said:
I wasn’t lashing out. I was sincerely pointing out that you write nonsensically as shown above. “Pushing thinking into a 3rd dimensional method” and “the third element being the new identity of the sum”. That’s pure woo.
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That is offensive and the product of a small mind. If you didn't understand, say so, don't get all willy waving about it.
 
magicjuan said:
The man who was the inspiration for Indiana Jones, Otto Rahn, visited Tibet in the 1920s, whilst there he witnessed and photographed monks lifting huge boulders, their vibrational mass altered by 'singing bowls' used by other monks.
Think of an opera singer and a glass, the frequency of the voice alters the frequency of the glass to the point of shattering. Sound has an affect on matter, apply that to the moving of huge blocks as in the pyramids or the cutting of single stone monoliths such as those at Baalbeck down to Gobekli Tepe, even stories like Jericho's walls have a certain plausibility in this context.
Point being, nobody knows jack really and to vehemently dismiss theories as well as uphold them with closed minds keeps us static and nothing ever changes.
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This is on the one hand true, but on the other hand implausible. If you could use sound waves to move large blocks of stone and the knowledge of how to do so was spread that far, we would still be using it today.
 

tsubaki said:
This is on the one hand true, but on the other hand implausible. If you could use sound waves to move large blocks of stone and the knowledge of how to do so was spread that far, we would still be using it today.
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Not necessarily, there are so many things we used to do but don't, or we've chosen not to, many different skills have been lost
 
tsubaki said:
This is on the one hand true, but on the other hand implausible. If you could use sound waves to move large blocks of stone and the knowledge of how to do so was spread that far, we would still be using it today.
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I read a few articles on this last night, since I hadn't heard of it before. One form of acoustic levitation is subject to severe scaling laws; that is, it works with very small things (small spheres or even small molten masses of metal); for example, it took a 1kW siren of sound operating at 3260 Hz to raise a 1 cm diameter steel ball. 1kW is about as loud as a chainsaw, and Hz-wise, 3260Hz is about one octave below high-C on a piano. The limitation seems to be lifting objects that are larger in size than the length of the soundwave--the general rule is that objects can only be lifted at about a 1/4 of the length of the soundwave (thus 20Hz can only lift about 1/4 of that = 4 mm objects). Researchers recently levitated a 50mm styrofoam ball (1.5gms) using three individual sound generators operating at 20Hz, so multiple could generators, in principle, be used to levitate larger objects. But these objects cannot be moved off the "cushion" ("pressure nodes" of the wave) of sound that they float on, so it is impossible to not only levitate giant stones but also to move them to another location. Basically: using the "pressure node" approach is like balancing an object on the cushion-ey "end" of a sound wave, and it requires tons of Hz to do so, and objects can't be moved off the pressure node without falling.

Another form of acoustic levitation is using "near-field" acoustic levitation, which is basically a large vibrating platform, where objects slide on an acoustic radiation wave (similar to when a very light cell phone buzzes and slides across a table top). Near-field approaches can move objects up to 10kg. What is needed is a large vibrating platform and sound generators to vibrate it. To have built these vibrating platforms the size of Pyramid blocks back during Egyptian times would have been a greater feat than building the pyramids themselves. And there is no archaeological evidence suggesting that these were ever built.
 
magicjuan said:
Not necessarily, there are so many things we used to do but don't, or we've chosen not to, many different skills have been lost
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In some cases yes, but you are talking about a skill that would be supremely useful for a task (building with stone / other heavy objects) that people have been doing fairly consistently for the past five or six thousand years and which would have all manner of other potential uses. The spread of sites where such things are said to have been used also covers several thousand miles (or much more than that if you bring the Incan / Olmec things in) and at least a thousand years, so its not as if we are talking about an invention that was jealously guarded (like paper, silk, hydraulic cement or greek fire) by one state and which might have been put at risk by the state failing.

Basically, if it existed it would still exist and the various things that do the same job - the science of mechanics, basically - would not exist.
 

tsubaki said:
In some cases yes, but you are talking about a skill that would be supremely useful for a task (building with stone / other heavy objects) that people have been doing fairly consistently for the past five or six thousand years and which would have all manner of other potential uses. The spread of sites where such things are said to have been used also covers several thousand miles (or much more than that if you bring the Incan / Olmec things in) and at least a thousand years, so its not as if we are talking about an invention that was jealously guarded (like paper, silk, hydraulic cement or greek fire) by one state and which might have been put at risk by the state failing.

Basically, if it existed it would still exist and the various things that do the same job - the science of mechanics, basically - would not exist.
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http://www.thelivingmoon.com/44cosmic_wisdom/02files/Levitation03.html

the why could be for many reasons, my own thinking is suppression for authority or pure gain, think the way Tesla was dealt with.
 
magicjuan said:
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/44cosmic_wisdom/02files/Levitation03.html

the why could be for many reasons, my own thinking is suppression for authority or pure gain, think the way Tesla was dealt with.
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That is my point though - you could "deal with" Tesla because he was one man.

To "deal with" this you would have had to suppress many men over a wide area in numerous separate states, without any real reason to do so and (to accept your monks as evidence for the moment) any real success. To even make such actions possible would presuppose international co-operation (as well as detailed knowledge of each other) of a kind that is probably impossible given the advantage that would accrue to the states that were left with this capability.
 
tsubaki said:
That is my point though - you could "deal with" Tesla because he was one man.

To "deal with" this you would have had to suppress many men over a wide area in numerous separate states, without any real reason to do so and (to accept your monks as evidence for the moment) any real success. To even make such actions possible would presuppose international co-operation (as well as detailed knowledge of each other) of a kind that is probably impossible given the advantage that would accrue to the states that were left with this capability.
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But then the anomalies begin to add up, drill holes, paper thin joins, bizarre joints, the transfer of rocks across hundreds of miles. How about a shifting class of people with the knowledge, moving across the continents. Try Uriels Machine or From the Ashes of Angels. It isn't that improbable for knowledge to seemingly disappear, nor impossible, you only have to look at religion to see how truth and knowledge can be smothered and drowned out.
 
I will never understand these people:

Mike Cronk was sitting half-naked on a street corner, hands covered in blood, when the TV news reporter approached. The 48-year-old, who had used his shirt to try to plug a bullet wound in his friend’s chest, recounted in a live interview how a young man he did not know had just died in his arms.

Cronk’s story of surviving the worst mass shooting in modern US history went viral, but many people online weren’t calling him a hero. On YouTube, dozens of videos, viewed by hundreds of thousands of people, claimed Cronk was an actor hired to play the part of a victim in the Las Vegas mass shooting on 1 October.

Conspiracy theorists harassed him on Facebook, sending messages like “How much did they pay you?” and “How does it feel to be part of a hoax?” The claims multiplied and soon YouTube’s algorithm began actively promoting the conspiracy theory.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/nov/28/us-guns-mass-shootings-hoax-conspiracy-theories
 

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