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Dalian Atkinson murder/manslaughter trial

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So, by your logic, one cannot comment about what has already been mentioned in court (i.e. the charges laid against the two Police officers)?

Strange...

Got to remember rightly or wrongly commenting during open cases can be considered contempt of court. Obviously a forum full of bellends like us won't be influencing any jury's but the point of waiting until the trial has finished before putting forward personal comments/opinions on the case is probably wise.

Tragic what happened to him, either way.
 
...I think the term is Sub judice. I don’t think it’s modern thinking, it’s been around for a while.


Sorry mate, but the charges laid against the two Police officers, mentioned in the ITV News at 1:30, cannot be sub judice, since they have been mentioned in open court, and the Judge has not made a sub judice ruling on them, otherwise, the news media could not have mentioned the charges in the first place.

If you are going to quote the law, at least know what it is about...!
 
Got to remember rightly or wrongly commenting during open cases can be considered contempt of court. Obviously a forum full of bellends like us won't be influencing any jury's but the point of waiting until the trial has finished before putting forward personal comments/opinions on the case is probably wise.

Tragic what happened to him, either way.
All that was mentioned on the news today was the charges laid against the two Police officers, and what it is alleged they did. Note I said 'alleged', since they both pleaded 'not guilty' to the charges.

That's all.
 
Sorry mate, but the charges laid against the two Police officers, mentioned in the ITV News at 1:30, cannot be sub judice, since they have been mentioned in open court, and the Judge has not made a sub judice ruling on them, otherwise, the news media could not have mentioned the charges in the first place.

If you are going to quote the law, at least know what it is about...!

...I’m not trying to be clever or confrontational here, apologies if you think that I am. The general point I was making is it’s probably wise not to have running commentary on court cases.

I’ve been involved in literally 100s of court cases, but the last thing I would claim to know is the law. I was just advising caution.
 

...I’m not trying to be clever or confrontational here, apologies if you think that I am. The general point I was making is it’s probably wise not to have running commentary on court cases.

I’ve been involved in literally 100s of court cases, but the last thing I wouldn’t claim to know is the law. I was just advising caution, Apologies again.
I understand.

But as is the case in many court cases, there is no reprting ban on the circumstances of the case.
So ITV today reported what it could, which is what I posted in my original post.
And the news media will do what you call a 'running comentary' on court cases for as long as it can on any individual case. You only have to look at the recent case against Johnny Depp to see that.

So today the media (I watched it on ITV at lunchtime) reported on the charges and mentioned the two individuals concerned. And also mentioned the tazer incident before he was ALLEGEDLY kick in the head by one officer, and hit with a truncheon/baton by another.

For ITV (or other media) to mention it as a news item means that there is no sub judice in operation.

What we do know, is that if there is no ban on reporting the proceedings, some interesting (and probably distressing) things are likely to come out in the forthcoming days/weeks. Here's a link to the BBC site reporting on it: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-56979521

For those who do not wish to open the link, here's the text:
'A police officer Tasered an ex-footballer for six times longer than is standard before kicking him twice in the head, a jury has heard.
PC Benjamin Monk is charged with the murder of Dalian Atkinson during an altercation in Shropshire in 2016.
He appeared at Birmingham Crown Court for the first day of his trial with co-accused PC Mary Ellen Bettley-Smith, who is charged with assault.
The former Aston Villa star died after he was Tasered for 33 seconds.
Prosecutors said the default setting for a Taser is five seconds but PC Monk, 42, continued to press the trigger, overriding the system for 33 seconds.
PC Monk and 31-year-old PC Bettley-Smith, officers with West Mercia Police, arrived at Mr Atkinson's father's house in Meadow Close, Telford, shortly before 01:30 BST on 15 August after neighbours had reported Mr Atkinson acting strangely and shouting in the street.
When the officers arrived, PC Monk attempted to deploy his Taser when Mr Atkinson, who had serious health problems, opened the door of his father's home, acting erratically and claiming to be the Messiah.
It failed and Mr Atkinson then came out of the property and advanced to the end of the drive. PC Monk deployed a second Taser cartridge, which again failed.
The prosecution said Mr Atkinson then punched the glass pane in his father's door - it shattered, leading to a further confrontation with the officers which led to PC Monk deploying his Taser for the third time.
The third cartridge was effective, incapacitating Mr Atkinson who then fell to the ground.
While he was unresponsive, jurors heard the police officers "set about him".
PC Monk kicked him in the head with such force imprints of his boot laces were left in two parts of Mr Atkinson's forehead, while PC Bettley-Smith used her baton to strike him "a number of times" while he lay still in the road, the court was told.
Both officers, who jurors heard were in a relationship at the time of the incident, deny wrongdoing. However, it is the prosecution's case their use of force was excessive and sustained while Mr Atkinson posed no threat.
Alexandra Healy QC said PC Monk was an experienced police officer of 14 years and would have known he risked causing Mr Atkinson "really serious injury" by kicking him in the head.
She said PC Monk had not been acting in self-defence but had been "angry" to have been "put in fear by this man".
"He chose to take that anger out on Dalian Atkinson by kicking him in the head."
PC Bettley-Smith too, she said, "was not acting in self defence or in defence of her colleague but also taking out her anger on a man who had earlier put her in fear, with the weapon she had been entrusted with to use lawfully".
Ms Healy said the officers were "entitled to use reasonable force to protect themselves" and their conduct prior to the discharge of the third Taser cartridge was not criticised.
However, she urged jurors to "consider with great care" the defendants' case they feared for their safety and were therefore entitled to use such force.
Witness Victor Swinbourne, who lived in the road, saw Mr Atkinson go down to the floor after being Tasered, describing him as appearing "unconscious, because he collapsed so quickly", Ms Healy said.
Ms Healy said Mr Swinbourne had seen the officer give a couple of "light kicks" before a "final massive and powerful kick" while Mr Atkinson "lay motionless on the floor".
"The officer's leg went straight back and snapped forwards as though he was kicking a football," she told the court Mr Swinbourne had said.
Ms Healy said another witness living in the road, Paula Quinn, had thought the officers "kicked him 15 times as she counted them. They kicked him at full force".
"Dalian was not moving when the officers were kicking him," Ms Healy added.
Other police officers arrived at the scene after PC Bettley-Smith pushed an emergency activation button during the incident.
Ms Healy quoted PC Ben Wright, who said he had witnessed PC Monk with his "right foot rested on Dalian's head" and an officer referred to as PC Hughes who "could see straight away as he approached that the man on the ground was not conscious as he did not speak and was unresponsive".
Officers recounted Mr Atkinson had a weak pulse, strained breathing and a small amount of blood was found where his head had been lying, Ms Healy said.
Mr Atkinson, who had a long sporting career at a number of clubs including Ipswich Town, Sheffield Wednesday, Aston Villa and Manchester City, died in hospital at about 02:45 on the morning of the altercation.
He had been suffering with high blood pressure, heart disease and end-stage renal failure, the court was told.
The prosecution said although pathologists agreed his underlying health conditions meant Mr Atkinson was "at a greatly increased risk of dying", he would have survived "were it not for the third Taser deployment and the kicks to his head".
PC Monk denies murder as well as an alternative charge of manslaughter. PC Bettley-Smith denies assault occasioning actual bodily harm.'

So the above is already in the public domain,
 
I understand.

But as is the case in many court cases, there is no reprting ban on the circumstances of the case.
So ITV today reported what it could, which is what I posted in my original post.
And the news media will do what you call a 'running comentary' on court cases for as long as it can on any individual case. You only have to look at the recent case against Johnny Depp to see that.

So today the media (I watched it on ITV at lunchtime) reported on the charges and mentioned the two individuals concerned. And also mentioned the tazer incident before he was ALLEGEDLY kick in the head by one officer, and hit with a truncheon/baton by another.

For ITV (or other media) to mention it as a news item means that there is no sub judice in operation.

What we do know, is that if there is no ban on reporting the proceedings, some interesting (and probably distressing) things are likely to come out in the forthcoming days/weeks. Here's a link to the BBC site reporting on it: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-56979521

For those who do not wish to open the link, here's the text:
'A police officer Tasered an ex-footballer for six times longer than is standard before kicking him twice in the head, a jury has heard.
PC Benjamin Monk is charged with the murder of Dalian Atkinson during an altercation in Shropshire in 2016.
He appeared at Birmingham Crown Court for the first day of his trial with co-accused PC Mary Ellen Bettley-Smith, who is charged with assault.
The former Aston Villa star died after he was Tasered for 33 seconds.
Prosecutors said the default setting for a Taser is five seconds but PC Monk, 42, continued to press the trigger, overriding the system for 33 seconds.
PC Monk and 31-year-old PC Bettley-Smith, officers with West Mercia Police, arrived at Mr Atkinson's father's house in Meadow Close, Telford, shortly before 01:30 BST on 15 August after neighbours had reported Mr Atkinson acting strangely and shouting in the street.
When the officers arrived, PC Monk attempted to deploy his Taser when Mr Atkinson, who had serious health problems, opened the door of his father's home, acting erratically and claiming to be the Messiah.
It failed and Mr Atkinson then came out of the property and advanced to the end of the drive. PC Monk deployed a second Taser cartridge, which again failed.
The prosecution said Mr Atkinson then punched the glass pane in his father's door - it shattered, leading to a further confrontation with the officers which led to PC Monk deploying his Taser for the third time.
The third cartridge was effective, incapacitating Mr Atkinson who then fell to the ground.
While he was unresponsive, jurors heard the police officers "set about him".
PC Monk kicked him in the head with such force imprints of his boot laces were left in two parts of Mr Atkinson's forehead, while PC Bettley-Smith used her baton to strike him "a number of times" while he lay still in the road, the court was told.
Both officers, who jurors heard were in a relationship at the time of the incident, deny wrongdoing. However, it is the prosecution's case their use of force was excessive and sustained while Mr Atkinson posed no threat.
Alexandra Healy QC said PC Monk was an experienced police officer of 14 years and would have known he risked causing Mr Atkinson "really serious injury" by kicking him in the head.
She said PC Monk had not been acting in self-defence but had been "angry" to have been "put in fear by this man".
"He chose to take that anger out on Dalian Atkinson by kicking him in the head."
PC Bettley-Smith too, she said, "was not acting in self defence or in defence of her colleague but also taking out her anger on a man who had earlier put her in fear, with the weapon she had been entrusted with to use lawfully".
Ms Healy said the officers were "entitled to use reasonable force to protect themselves" and their conduct prior to the discharge of the third Taser cartridge was not criticised.
However, she urged jurors to "consider with great care" the defendants' case they feared for their safety and were therefore entitled to use such force.
Witness Victor Swinbourne, who lived in the road, saw Mr Atkinson go down to the floor after being Tasered, describing him as appearing "unconscious, because he collapsed so quickly", Ms Healy said.
Ms Healy said Mr Swinbourne had seen the officer give a couple of "light kicks" before a "final massive and powerful kick" while Mr Atkinson "lay motionless on the floor".
"The officer's leg went straight back and snapped forwards as though he was kicking a football," she told the court Mr Swinbourne had said.
Ms Healy said another witness living in the road, Paula Quinn, had thought the officers "kicked him 15 times as she counted them. They kicked him at full force".
"Dalian was not moving when the officers were kicking him," Ms Healy added.
Other police officers arrived at the scene after PC Bettley-Smith pushed an emergency activation button during the incident.
Ms Healy quoted PC Ben Wright, who said he had witnessed PC Monk with his "right foot rested on Dalian's head" and an officer referred to as PC Hughes who "could see straight away as he approached that the man on the ground was not conscious as he did not speak and was unresponsive".
Officers recounted Mr Atkinson had a weak pulse, strained breathing and a small amount of blood was found where his head had been lying, Ms Healy said.
Mr Atkinson, who had a long sporting career at a number of clubs including Ipswich Town, Sheffield Wednesday, Aston Villa and Manchester City, died in hospital at about 02:45 on the morning of the altercation.
He had been suffering with high blood pressure, heart disease and end-stage renal failure, the court was told.
The prosecution said although pathologists agreed his underlying health conditions meant Mr Atkinson was "at a greatly increased risk of dying", he would have survived "were it not for the third Taser deployment and the kicks to his head".
PC Monk denies murder as well as an alternative charge of manslaughter. PC Bettley-Smith denies assault occasioning actual bodily harm.'

So the above is already in the public domain,
Sorry mate could you repeat that.
 


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