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Dave Sibson - Evertonian now Banned for 3 years

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No offence mate, but I can call a Welshman a Welshman as many times as I want.


Unless he's said something actually racist, this isn't right. I'm well versed on the principles of verbal assault, which this could be classed as, but....



Going by that, he's simply being punished for using his nationality as an adjective. There's no doubt in my mind that there was absolutely zero intent of racism in that sentence.

IF it was a continual verbal tirade, then as I say it's verbal assault which is completely seperate from the racism issue. But it quite clearly says right there that he was done for that one remark.

He got punished for shouting abuse at someone in a public place. And said abuse bought up the targets nationality which was completly unneccasary, and i've yet to read one good explanation of why his nationality was bought up. Unless of course he was being informative for the benefit ofd those arround him. But i doubt it.

And read the first paragraph of this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_%28classification_of_humans%29 to see why using someones nationality as part of an insult falls under racism. Racism doesn't just refer to skin colour.
 
He got punished for shouting abuse at someone in a public place. And said abuse bought up the targets nationality which was completly unneccasary, and i've yet to read one good explanation of why his nationality was bought up. Unless of course he was being informative for the benefit ofd those arround him. But i doubt it.

And read the first paragraph of this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_%28classification_of_humans%29 to see why using someones nationality as part of an insult falls under racism. Racism doesn't just refer to skin colour.

So where does it stop? I'm a Scouser, so is someone calling me "Scouse" racist? Or I live in Kirkby - so "Kirkby Sock Robber" is a phrase that is courtworthy?

Say somebody passes me in the street, and yells the sentence "You dirty, Scouse Kirkby Sock Robber", I called the Police, and had him taken to court. People would rightfully label me an idiot for doing so.

That's EXACTLY the same kind of situation as this, if you read the facts we've been given. In fact, it's worse, because the addition of "sock robber" is worse, because the guy hasn't said "French frog-eating" etc.

Sorry, I find it nonsense. It's an extreme limitation on speech and the ban is remarkably OTT - UNLESS he has actually been done for a tirade of abuse, but there's zero indication that is the case.

I believe that if you're a footballer, and you're paid by a club to perform, and the club in turn makes it's profits from fans who pay to watch the players perform, then you should reasonably expect a level of criticism if you aren't performing.

Let's put it this way. If every football fan was done for this, then the entire stadium would sit in silence, afraid to open their mouths.
 
In what hopefully is my last reply, (though very well may not be :)

Would the same standard be applied to verbal abuse of Fernando Torres, who I'm sure has more than once been ribbed in Goodison Park?

Mate of mine happens to be a liverpool fan...same mate happens to be gay. He takes offense at the homophobic inference in the term "ladyboy" when I laughingly brought it up. edited: He does, by the way, find Mr. Torres "extremely cute"

Are you willing to see people brought up on charges after then next home Chelsea game for abusing Torres all game long, then, towards the end of the match and after a few too many beers, a "Go back to Stamford bridge, Ladyboy, you Spanish, useless #@$&!"

Its a statement that may offend the Spanish, gays, and folks in west London should they overhear.

If a statement like that, after making numerous remarks (say, shall we, 5) throughout the game doesn't deserve a £300 fine and 3 year bad from all football games, then why should Dave's?

If it does derserve a fine and ban, then I guess I've learned a lesson on being English, something that I hadn't learned when I lived there for a couple years.
 
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Could the term 'Wool' fall into this category of being racist ? After all it's more abusive than French, and is aimed at someone that comes from a different region, based specifically on that.
 
Could the term 'Wool' fall into this category of being racist ? After all it's more abusive than French, and is aimed at someone that comes from a different region, based specifically on that.

It's exactly the same thing, so technically yes.

Hence why I find the whole thing ridiculous. Bigloco's post is a cracker.

I've heard whole sections of a crowd sing a song calling a players wife a wh%^e - which is far worse - yet you'd have to ban thousands of Evertonians based on the "logic" of this decision.

Posh Spice is a sl%%per,
she's a f&^%ing wh^&e.
When she's sh^&^ing David Beckham,
she thinks of Joe-Max Moore!
 

It's exactly the same thing, so technically yes.

Hence why I find the whole thing ridiculous. Bigloco's post is a cracker.

I've heard whole sections of a crowd sing a song calling a players wife a wh%^e - which is far worse - yet you'd have to ban thousands of Evertonians based on the "logic" of this decision.

Posh Spice is a sl%%per,
she's a f&^%ing wh^&e.
When she's sh^&^ing David Beckham,
she thinks of Joe-Max Moore!

prepares personal cctv monitoring system with ready prepared legal shiz for anyone that mutters the infamous "feckin wool"

Where there's a name there's a claim !!
When there's grief there's a brief !!
Where there's **** there's a writ !!
 
It's exactly the same thing, so technically yes.

Can you explain where in the following text it defines "wool" as being a race?

Race refers to classifications of humans into relatively large and distinct populations or groups often based on factors such as appearance based on heritable phenotypical characteristics or geographic ancestry, but also often influenced by and correlated with traits such as culture, ethnicity and socio-economic status.[1] As a biological term, race denotes genetically divergent human populations that can be marked by common phenotypic traits.[2] This sense of race is often used by forensic anthropologists when analyzing skeletal remains, in biomedical research, and in race-based medicine.[3] The study of shared traits among peoples is also conducted along ethnic lines, involving the endogamic history of groups. In many societies racial groupings correspond closely with patterns of social stratification, and for social scientists studying social inequality, race understood as a set of ideologies and practices is in an important variable.[4][5] Additionally, law enforcement utilizes race to create profiles of wanted suspects in an expeditious manner.
While scientists use the concept of race to make practical distinctions among fuzzy sets of traits, the scientific community feels that the idea of race is often used by the general public[6] in a naive[7] or simplistic way, erroneously designating wholly discrete types of individuals. Among humans, race has no taxonomic significance—all people belong to the same hominid subspecies, Homo sapiens sapiens.[8][9] Regardless of the extent to which race exists, the word "race" is problematic and may carry negative connotations.[10] Social conceptions and groupings of races vary over time, involving folk taxonomies[11][12][13] that define essential types of individuals based on perceived sets of traits. Scientists consider biological essentialism obsolete,[14] and generally discourage racial explanations for collective differentiation in both physical and behavioral traits.[7][15]
As people define and put about different conceptions of race, they actively create contrasting social realities through which racial categorization is achieved in varied ways.[16] In this sense, races are said to be social constructs.[17][18] These constructs can develop within various legal,[16][19] economic,[19] and sociopolitical[20][21] contexts, and at times may be the effect, rather than the cause, of major social situations.[20] Socioeconomic factors,[20][22][23][24][25] in combination with early but enduring[26] views of race, have led to considerable suffering amongst the disadvantaged racial groups. Scholars continue to debate the degrees to which racial categories are biologically warranted[10][27] and socially constructed, as well as the extent to which the realities[28] of race must be acknowledged in order for society to comprehend and address racism adequately.[
 
I cannot believe it is even called into question everyone's right to insult the french for being french. Utterly ridiculous. A grand tradition that has gone back century's ruined by the politically correct fear campaign which is ruining our country. The same people that tolerate hate preaching Mosque's and the oppression of woman in our society for fear of being called racist. In France if someone had called someone a 'lazy English [Poor language removed]' do you think they would have got in trouble for it? Absolutly not. It would be laughed off, and rightly so. BlackToffee you never cease to amaze me with your muppet-ness. 'The english think they can call whoever whatever they like'. We are literally the least racist, most politically correct country in the f*cking world. If you go ANYWHERE in Europe or elsewhere they would laugh at the 'rules' we have to stick by and the bull**** we have to tolerate from foreigners. Lets just forget all that for one second, you just use these cases to furthur your'e dislike for the English. So now who's racist?

It's completly acceptable for the English to be hated, made fun of for being English etc but as soon as an Englishman says anything remotely similar he's branded a skinhead, a Nazi, an EDL loving moron. ****ING HYPOCRITES.

Anyway the real issue is... WHAT THE **** IS WRONG WITH INSULTING THE FRENCH FOR BEING FRENCH?! THE GARLIC MUNCHERS DESERVE IT! Plus the fact that its just funny. They do it to us we do it to them. Why all this sensitive bull****?!
 
Can you explain where in the following text it defines "wool" as being a race?

Yep, sure. Read the first fourteen words, and you can apply to pretty much anything if you feel so inclined.

Definition of "Woolyback".

A Northern English person not born in Liverpool (especially someone from the towns of Wigan, St Helen's, Widnes, Warrington and Runcorn)

en.wiktionary.org/wiki/woolyback
 

I'm not saying abuse is justified, but if a fan yells something from the crowd which isn't racist or personal slights on his family etc., then I can fully understand, especially if he was at the time a lazy French [Poor language removed].

Unless he's said something actually racist, this isn't right. I'm well versed on the principles of verbal assault, which this could be classed as, but....



. There's no doubt in my mind that there was absolutely zero intent of racism in that sentence.

IF it was a continual verbal tirade, then as I say it's verbal assault which is completely seperate from the racism issue. But it quite clearly says right there that he was done for that one remark.

It's exactly the same thing, so technically yes.

Yep, sure. Read the first fourteen words, and you can apply to pretty much anything if you feel so inclined.

Definition of "Woolyback".

A Northern English person not born in Liverpool (especially someone from the towns of Wigan, St Helen's, Widnes, Warrington and Runcorn)

en.wiktionary.org/wiki/woolyback

So you agree that wool is racist, and that as it is exactly the same as calling someone French as part of an insult.

Therefor what this guy said was technically racial abuse?
 
Could the term 'Wool' fall into this category of being racist ? After all it's more abusive than French, and is aimed at someone that comes from a different region, based specifically on that.

Nice try but wools are fair game. Now shave your muzzy off you slow speaking whippet fancier.

It's completly acceptable for the English to be hated, made fun of for being English etc but as soon as an Englishman says anything remotely similar he's branded a skinhead, a Nazi, an EDL loving moron. ****ING HYPOCRITES.

Exhibit A. English = the most vile, self obsessed, racist bigots anywhere on God's Green Earth.

There is a reason all of England's neighbours hate them.
 
Nice try but wools are fair game. Now shave your muzzy off you slow speaking whippet fancier.



Exhibit A. English = the most vile, self obsessed, racist bigots anywhere on God's Green Earth.

There is a reason all of England's neighbours hate them.

Yeah we are all horrible ****s. My mum and my sister to. My Grandma and Great grandma's before that. My best friends, the girl I love (shes welsh but whatever).

**** off Chico.
 
So you agree that wool is racist, and that as it is exactly the same as calling someone French as part of an insult.

Therefor what this guy said was technically racial abuse?

Interesting that you chose to shorten one of my quotes there. I'll fill in the rest.

Tubey said:
It's exactly the same thing, so technically yes.

Hence why I find the whole thing ridiculous.

And that's the key point - the whole thing is ridiculous. You yourself have just used the word "technically". A man has just been banned for years based on "technically".

You missed the point entirely, by the way. I wasn't trying to prove the term "wool" was racist; I was actually mocking the fact the term "wool" could be considered racist!
 

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