David Moyes - Taking a knife to a gunfight at West Ham, Part 2

[Daz1878]

Four points out of a possible 15 since Moyes was reappointed (and three of them were against Bournemouth) plus knocked out of the FA Cup at home by a Championship team.

Yet the arrogant one had claimed 'winning is what I do' when he got the gig. Doesn't seem much evidence of that so far.

To be fair to him (much as it pains me to be), that wasn't the full quote.

It was really: 'winning is what I do... no, no, hang on a minute... not winning... the other one?'

 

[artetas_biggest_fan]

Get serious- he left almost the same squad he started with, plus Mata and Fellaini. It is LVG who took a wrecking ball to the squad. But since he won an FA Cup he gets much less criticism

Nah, Moyes removed the aura/fear factor that they had built up under Fergie. He did that in one season, records galore came tumbling with mid-table teams who hadn’t won at Old Trafford in decades breaking their duck. At home to Fulham, cross after cross after cross after cross, no method to their play, he served them up the most tedious, one dimensional tripe.

He brought in a loser attitude that was alien to them. Rio Ferdinand in several interviews talks about how he would focus on the opposition, with an emphasis on trying to stop them, rather than confidently focus on his own team as was the case under Fergie. He would harp on about players like Coutinho to such an extent that Man U players would fear them more than previously, and also feel less about themselves. The Fergie swagger of ‘were better than these’ was gone. Loads of other examples of this loser attitude. A manager of Man United, the defending champions, referring to Man City as “the benchmark” before the Manc derby. Constantly coming out with “I thought we played really well” after every defeat. The standards nosedived.

The man is a bluffer, a chancer, an imposter at Old Trafford who only got the gig as his fellow Scot Fergie was wrongly given authority to make such an appointment. Ultimately Moyes did the damage, but he didn’t appoint himself. The man who appointed him is more culpable. Fergie for all his success while in charge, left the club with a parting gift that inflicted so much damage the club still hasn’t come close to recovering from.

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

Nah, Moyes removed the aura/fear factor that they had built up under Fergie. He did that in one season, records galore came tumbling with mid-table teams who hadn’t won at Old Trafford in decades breaking their duck. At home to Fulham, cross after cross after cross after cross, no method to their play, he served them up the most tedious, one dimensional tripe.

He brought in a loser attitude that was alien to them. Rio Ferdinand in several interviews talks about how he would focus on the opposition, with an emphasis on trying to stop them, rather than confidently focus on his own team as was the case under Fergie. He would harp on about players like Coutinho to such an extent that Man U players would fear them more than previously, and also feel less about themselves. The Fergie swagger of ‘were better than these’ was gone. Loads of other examples of this loser attitude. A manager of Man United, the defending champions, referring to Man City as “the benchmark” before the Manc derby. Constantly coming out with “I thought we played really well” after every defeat. The standards nosedived.

The man is a bluffer, a chancer, an imposter at Old Trafford who only got the gig as his fellow Scot Fergie was wrongly given authority to make such an appointment. Ultimately Moyes did the damage, but he didn’t appoint himself. The man who appointed him is more culpable. Fergie for all his success while in charge, left the club with a parting gift that inflicted so much damage the club still hasn’t come close to recovering from.

My brother (who holds the distinction of "only scouse United fan") had a season ticket back then and remembers hearing Moyes screaming at them to "hit the channels" over and over again...

Insane.

 

[The binman chronicles]

Moyes is yesterday's man now. He's made enough money and there's always a punditry job for him so it's not going to be a terrible existence if he doesn't manage.

Still always Celtic to fall back on.

 

[artetas_biggest_fan]

More on the damage Moyes inflicted on United, a man who singlehandedly removed the aura they had built up over a quarter of a century.

Ferdinand: Moyes bigged up opposition players



Another example of his loser mentality, referring to deadly rivals Liverpool as “favourites” before a game at Old Trafford. Even Rodgers was shocked at this comment and responded by saying “if we were bottom of the league I’d never say United were favourites”.



The man infected United with Moyesitis. Since then, beating them is not the scalp it was. He was a wrecking ball to that club.

 

[Abraders]

More on the damage Moyes inflicted on United, a man who singlehandedly removed the aura they had built up over a quarter of a century.

Ferdinand: Moyes bigged up opposition players



Another example of his loser mentality, referring to deadly rivals Liverpool as “favourites” before a game at Old Trafford. Even Rodgers was shocked at this comment and responded by saying “if we were bottom of the league I’d never say United were favourites”.



The man infected United with Moyesitis. Since then, beating them is not the scalp it was. He was a wrecking ball to that club.

If Moyes was like at United... Thee is absolutely no wonder why we have some inferiority complex when it comes to playing Liverpool. The man had 10 years to instil that fear!!

 

[Khalekan]

Four points out of a possible 15 since Moyes was reappointed (and three of them were against Bournemouth) plus knocked out of the FA Cup at home by a Championship team.

Yet the arrogant one had claimed 'winning is what I do' when he got the gig. Doesn't seem much evidence of that so far.

Not much evidence of it in the past either.

 

[MikeH72]

They have, of course, been extremely successful since bringing those people back into the fold.

It’d be interesting to see where they’d have ended up if Moyes and Big Stevie Round would’ve stayed on.

 

[Death]

More on the damage Moyes inflicted on United, a man who singlehandedly removed the aura they had built up over a quarter of a century.

Ferdinand: Moyes bigged up opposition players



Another example of his loser mentality, referring to deadly rivals Liverpool as “favourites” before a game at Old Trafford. Even Rodgers was shocked at this comment and responded by saying “if we were bottom of the league I’d never say United were favourites”.



The man infected United with Moyesitis. Since then, beating them is not the scalp it was. He was a wrecking ball to that club.

that does not look good at all for Moyes.

 

[Lanolin]

It’d be interesting to see where they’d have ended up if Moyes and Big Stevie Round would’ve stayed on.

Bottom half i'd say.

I liked Moyes, I don't agree with a lot of the stick he gets. That job was too big for him though, the egos and the expectation were too much, he wasn't cut out for it. He's the type of manager that needs everyone to completely buy into what he's doing, or the whole thing unravels. Those players were never going to do that.

 

[degsy]

Nah, Moyes removed the aura/fear factor that they had built up under Fergie. He did that in one season, records galore came tumbling with mid-table teams who hadn’t won at Old Trafford in decades breaking their duck. At home to Fulham, cross after cross after cross after cross, no method to their play, he served them up the most tedious, one dimensional tripe.
He brought in a loser attitude that was alien to them...
The man is a bluffer, a chancer, an imposter at Old Trafford who only got the gig as his fellow Scot Fergie was wrongly given authority to make such an appointment. Ultimately Moyes did the damage, but he didn’t appoint himself. The man who appointed him is more culpable. Fergie for all his success while in charge, left the club with a parting gift that inflicted so much damage the club still hasn’t come close to recovering from.

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Was Woodwood there then?

 

[MikeH72]

Bottom half i'd say.

I liked Moyes, I don't agree with a lot of the stick he gets. That job was too big for him though, the egos and the expectation were too much, he wasn't cut out for it. He's the type of manager that needs everyone to completely buy into what he's doing, or the whole thing unravels. Those players were never going to do that.

Can’t believe he showed Rio Ferdinand a video of Phil Jagielka as a form of coaching.

 

[Lanolin]

Can’t believe he showed Rio Ferdinand a video of Phil Jagielka as a form of coaching.

Obviously I wasn't there, and I might be giving him too much credit, but I always think that one's a bit unfair. I'd assume that it was more a case of saying 'this is how I set up, look at the positions he's taking up, that's what I want you to do', rather than 'you need to be more like him as a player'. It's the type of thing that an utter cockwomble like Ferdinand can easily twist to make it sound ridiculous (or just not even understand that that was what was happening in the first place, because he's colossally thick even by footballer standards).

 

[Billysgingham.]

Obviously I wasn't there, and I might be giving him too much credit, but I always think that one's a bit unfair. I'd assume that it was more a case of saying 'this is how I set up, look at the positions he's taking up, that's what I want you to do', rather than 'you need to be more like him as a player'. It's the type of thing that an utter cockwomble like Ferdinand can easily twist to make it sound ridiculous (or just not even understand that that was what was happening in the first place, because he's colossally thick even by footballer standards).

Why didnt he just show him on the training field.

 

[DixieScoresAgain]

They are a sequence of games that are torrid after the winter break is sending them down, I cannot see them get any wins from those set of fixtures and by the time they are over they could be so far back from safety.

Moyes the poster boy of the LMA is sending another team down.