2024/25 David Moyes

[Timbucktoo]

Moyes is only the 3rd longest manager because Kenwright ran the club poorly and gave him a free pass for 12 years.

One thing Kenwright did right was not to pull the plug on Moyes when we had that bad season in 03/04 when we were 17th. That allowed Moyes to get things going and lead to our best days. Kenwrights failure to get the money that Moyes needed to push us forward after the 08/09 season pushed us back and allowed other teams to over take us.

 

[gedefc]

It’s this type of hyperbole which is ridiculous. He’s won a Division 2 title and a Europa conference trophy in 27 years of management. That should be no one’s definition of a very good manager. He’s the longest serving Everton manager who’s never won a trophy. He’s a decent competent manager. Very good - you’re having a laugh.

Please consider who he was managing ffs haha.

 

[jceverton]

Hardly hyperbole. Or ridiculous.

You said he is decent - ie, not bad but not great.

I said he is very good, ie, also not great, but better than just good or decent. Which reflects what he managed with us on a shoestring budget and he has won silverware which most managers never do.

You are complaining about the nuance between whether he is “decent” or a bit better than decent.
It’s not like I said he is the best manager in the world.

We are going to have to agree to differ. A very good manager in my mind is someone who regularly wins trophies. Moyes hasn't done that.

 

[matty1878]

We are going to have to agree to differ. A very good manager in my mind is someone who regularly wins trophies. Moyes hasn't done that.

there’s loads of them around you know,
all that regular win trophies

and will run across hot coal to come

 

[Mr Happy]

We are going to have to agree to differ. A very good manager in my mind is someone who regularly wins trophies. Moyes hasn't done that.

So by that logic the only very good manager is Pep. I think that needs a rethink. Thomas Frank and Unie Emery are very good managers in my mind but not exactly replete with trophies.

 

[matty1878]

So by that logic the only very good manager is Pep. I think that needs a rethink. Thomas Frank and Unie Emery are very good managers in my mind but not exactly replete with trophies.

pep,carlo, enrique,

they all wanna come you know!

 

[Marius57]

We are going to have to agree to differ. A very good manager in my mind is someone who regularly wins trophies. Moyes hasn't done that.

You said mckenna is very good and he hasn’t won a jot yet. We will have different scope for what’s good/very good/great. That’s fine.

But like I say, me suggesting that the only manager in my life time to provide us any consistency, regular European football and some finals that I’m old enough to remember is very good is hardly ridiculous hyperbole.

 

[Lanolin]

The last few pages just highlight why I don't think bringing Moyes back was the right choice. Personally I'm a fan but there's too much water under the bridge with him, people already have their minds made up about what he is and at a time when we were crying out for a fresh start it feels like we aren't going to get one.

 

[Mr Happy]

pep,carlo, enrique,

they all wanna come you know!

I'm content with what we've got currently. Even quite like Everton at the moment.

 

[jceverton]

Please consider who he was managing ffs haha.

I have

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

So by that logic the only very good manager is Pep. I think that needs a rethink. Thomas Frank and Unie Emery are very good managers in my mind but not exactly replete with trophies.

Pep and Brendan Rodgers are currently the two best managers in world football….

 

[Mr Happy]

Pep and Brendan Rodgers are currently the two best managers in world football….

According to the trophies won argument.

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

According to the trophies won argument.

And let’s not forget Ange - another from that elite group!

 

[jceverton]

The last few pages just highlight why I don't think bringing Moyes back was the right choice. Personally I'm a fan but there's too much water under the bridge with him, people already have their minds made up about what he is and at a time when we were crying out for a fresh start it feels like we aren't going to get one.

Yep I agree with this. I just think it was a retrograde step. At a push it was okay for this season. It's also been compounded by ditching the DOF model and giving him control over transfers. Then we've got a number of people who think the guy is a top manager when he's never been that.

 

[Saint Domingo]

The other ridiculous thing banded about on managerial threads is these cross era comparisons.

‘He’s gone the longest without winning a trophy’ ‘he’s got the lowest win % of an Everton manager’

It’s almost as though previous Everton teams were Mersey millionaires buying the best players in the he country and winning multiple trophies whilst the modern Everton teams have been running sell to stay in business transfer policies since 2000.

Probably Dyche’s fault though.