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Confirmed Signing Davy Klaassen

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davek said:
Look mate, I dont doubt he has the required technique and vision that would have been part and parcel of his club's programme. My doubt is that he has only played in Eredivisie and that they may not transfer well. It will be much faster and more physical than in Holland and that has an unhappy knack of destroying the time required for vision and distribution.

Take it from me: what you see Klaassen being able to do week in week out over there is something that he will not be able to do over here. Can he adapt? Maybe. But €30M looks like a massive gamble to find out.

I would swerve the Dutch league and focus on La Liga, Bundesliga and Serie A imports. No offence, but your league is now a backwater. Sorry.
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So you've written the Dutch league off Dave ?.

Flags will be flying at half mast all over Holland today lol
 
davek said:
*I cant believe I'm having to remind someone of their own club's processes, but ok...*

Kids who first get into Ajax's youth set up start there when they're about 7 or 8 and will have been scouted in advance and then invited. They scout within a 50km zone from Amsterdam so Klaassen should have been well mopped up. He wasn't. He was transferred twice before reaching Ajax at 11 and would have been seen as one they missed out on and had to get in. Coaching is fluid at the club and coaching at different age groups isn't seen as more important with one group than with others. The coaches of each age group are all ex-club players and it's inconceivable that the head coach wouldn't hear about a player with talent that'd been brought in at that age. To believe that a head coach at Ajax would only become aware of talented youngsters when they burst into the older academy teams just beggars belief.

Koeman himself was bemoaning the fact that Ajax dont start their scouting as Feyenoord do at age 6, so it's a long shot that he, whilst at Ajax, wasn't looking closely at what was coming through the door at a much later age than that.
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Forgive me if I'm wrong here Dave, but wasn't one of your many gripes with Koeman that he doesn't pay any attention to the kids?
 
davek said:
Look mate, I dont doubt he has the required technique and vision that would have been part and parcel of his club's programme. My doubt is that he has only played in Eredivisie and that they may not transfer well. It will be much faster and more physical than in Holland and that has an unhappy knack of destroying the time required for vision and distribution.

Take it from me: what you see Klaassen being able to do week in week out over there is something that he will not be able to do over here. Can he adapt? Maybe. But €30M looks like a massive gamble to find out.

I would swerve the Dutch league and focus on La Liga, Bundesliga and Serie A imports. No offence, but your league is now a backwater. Sorry.
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I get that, i would love to see a more active scouting for players from the top competitions as well at ajax but the truth is that both Everton and Ajax can't afford to fish in that pound. The most talented players from those competitions cost a lot more than €30M. Klaassen however is affordable for your club, has proven it's worth and has outgrown the eredivisie. He is ready for the next step and Everton is the right place to do so. Once he has proven it's worth that €30M will be peanuts compared to the money you will be getting for him.

Klaassen wil adapt to the premier league, no doubt. Dont forget that besides playing in the eredivisi he has played matches on high levels like the Europe League and as an international as well. He knows the level of football required to perform well and he has the mentality to back it up.
 
davek said:
Look mate, I dont doubt he has the required technique and vision that would have been part and parcel of his club's programme. My doubt is that he has only played in Eredivisie and that they may not transfer well. It will be much faster and more physical than in Holland and that has an unhappy knack of destroying the time required for vision and distribution.

Take it from me: what you see Klaassen being able to do week in week out over there is something that he will not be able to do over here. Can he adapt? Maybe. But €30M looks like a massive gamble to find out.

I would swerve the Dutch league and focus on La Liga, Bundesliga and Serie A imports. No offence, but your league is now a backwater. Sorry.
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So that will be why Christian Eriksen has struggled so much to replicate his form at Ajax
 

matty1878 said:
Never seen him play exept the Europa final. Not judging him on that as they were all poo. Trust koeman so that will do
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Same here mate, I watched him closely that match and I thought he had a mare, he was hooked iirc.

Maybe wrong to judge him on 1 game, but it was against English opposition and he looked way out of his depth imo.
 

BenscoAJAX said:
I get that, i would love to see a more active scouting for players from the top competitions as well at ajax but the truth is that both Everton and Ajax can't afford to fish in that pound. The most talented players from those competitions cost a lot more than €30M. Klaassen however is affordable for your club, has proven it's worth and has outgrown the eredivisie. He is ready for the next step and Everton is the right place to do so. Once he has proven it's worth that €30M will be peanuts compared to the money you will be getting for him.

Klaassen will adapt to the premier league, no doubt. Dont forget that besides playing in the eredivisi he has played matches on high levels like the Europe League and as an international as well. He knows the level of football required to perform well and he has the mentality to back it up.
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I hope you are right.

The guy you are debating with hopes you are wrong, trust me ;)
 
davek said:
*I cant believe I'm having to remind someone of their own club's processes, but ok...*

Kids who first get into Ajax's youth set up start there when they're about 7 or 8 and will have been scouted in advance and then invited. They scout within a 50km zone from Amsterdam so Klaassen should have been well mopped up. He wasn't. He was transferred twice before reaching Ajax at 11 and would have been seen as one they missed out on and had to get in. Coaching is fluid at the club and coaching at different age groups isn't seen as more important with one group than with others. The coaches of each age group are all ex-club players and it's inconceivable that the head coach wouldn't hear about a player with talent that'd been brought in at that age. To believe that a head coach at Ajax would only become aware of talented youngsters when they burst into the older academy teams just beggars belief.

Koeman himself was bemoaning the fact that Ajax dont start their scouting as Feyenoord do at age 6, so it's a long shot that he, whilst at Ajax, wasn't looking closely at what was coming through the door at a much later age than that.
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lol

Can you believe somebody has to get involved in a topic, then gets so slated he has to then disappear for a while to read up on stuff so he can spout stuff off as fact?

Thank the lord of Wikipedia!
 
davek said:
*I cant believe I'm having to remind someone of their own club's processes, but ok...*

Kids who first get into Ajax's youth set up start there when they're about 7 or 8 and will have been scouted in advance and then invited. They scout within a 50km zone from Amsterdam so Klaassen should have been well mopped up. He wasn't. He was transferred twice before reaching Ajax at 11 and would have been seen as one they missed out on and had to get in. Coaching is fluid at the club and coaching at different age groups isn't seen as more important with one group than with others. The coaches of each age group are all ex-club players and it's inconceivable that the head coach wouldn't hear about a player with talent that'd been brought in at that age. To believe that a head coach at Ajax would only become aware of talented youngsters when they burst into the older academy teams just beggars belief.

Koeman himself was bemoaning the fact that Ajax dont start their scouting as Feyenoord do at age 6, so it's a long shot that he, whilst at Ajax, wasn't looking closely at what was coming through the door at a much later age than that.
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*I can't believe someone who doesn't follow Ajax on a daily basis actually thinks he knows how things work at Ajax. Wikipedia scouting?*

The bold part:

This 'way of thinking' if you like is only there since the Cruijff-revolution in september 2010. This was, as you might know, long after Koeman was in charge at Ajax. The setup we have at Ajax now is only there since Cruijff came back in 2010 in an advisory role and was executed by head of youth development Wim Jonk (who himself is gone now). It is completely different than back in the Koeman day's. The youth setup back then was basically in a bit of a mess. There were still players coming through, but not of the standard we are used to at Ajax.

Of course when youth players move quickly to the ranks of the youth setup then the Head Coach will be made aware. But in a previous post you said:

"If you know anything about their set up you know that the whole structure is integrated, and for a player to be poached by the club at that age the head coach would know all about it."

This implies the Head Coach is actually involved in the process of snapping up youngsters at amateur clubs. This is simply false. The Head Coach has nothing to do with this. He would basically have to live at the club if he's also involved in stuff like this. I can't believe you actually think that.
 
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