Diving...Cheating...Scumbag

[Alio]

yeah, i would defo admit that arteta can defo go down easy, but even my liverpool supporting die hard fan was embarrassed at some of his recent efforts....the whole - looking at the ref as you fall down - trying to win a free kick outside the box, as he himself knows liverpool are not good enough to win some games without trying to get a cheap free kick

bit of a shame for him.....there's a bit of the "ronaldo" about him, which i don't like being an England fan....as a player he is far better than that

 

[Seamus Colemole]

To be fair though, and this may well cause a few murmurs from the back, Arteta and Pienaar do their very best to go down also.

But there clever with it, they use the players leg and make sure that contact is made by the way they manipulate the situation.

Gerrard though swan dives at every opportunity.

No they don't. They get fouled a lot due to their quick feet and trickery.

Fine i'm sure they know a tackle is gonna come so might try to make sure they get a foul rather than lose the ball but its still a million miles away from diving and cheating, they don't go out of their way to make it look like they've been fouled.

I know thats kinda what you said but i think it really is a million miles away from what gbh does and shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath.

Only player we have who really dives is Yakubu. But its hard to criticise him for them when they are so bad they're comical.

 

[GhostOfDixie]

No they don't. They get fouled a lot due to their quick feet and trickery.

Fine i'm sure they know a tackle is gonna come so might try to make sure they get a foul rather than lose the ball but its still a million miles away from diving and cheating, they don't go out of their way to make it look like they've been fouled.

I know thats kinda what you said but i think it really is a million miles away from what gbh does and shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath.

Only player we have who really dives is Yakubu. But its hard to criticise him for them when they are so bad they're comical.

Well whatever, Arteta moved into a position to get fouled. He does, and that's that. He makes the player foul him. It's not really good sportsman like, but when it's your own player you tend to not think that it happens.

Limpar did it in the 90's.

*ducks*

 

[chicoazul]

To be fair though, and this may well cause a few murmurs from the back, Arteta and Pienaar do their very best to go down also.

But there clever with it, they use the players leg and make sure that contact is made by the way they manipulate the situation.

Gerrard though swan dives at every opportunity.

Arteta, Pienaar and Yakubu go down too easy for my liking.

But Gerrard is far worse, he then screams like [Poor language removed] to the referee and most of them buy it.

 

[best little spaniard]

Why cant refs just book someone claiming for a foul?

Would stop all that silly surrounding the ref.


And I saw that article the other day. Made me laugh

 

[Gwladys St. Glory]

Watched a rerun of it on the 'net and did the usual, a nonchalant "f*cking tosser" and a friendly gesture at the monitor. Can't be arsed to get any more riled over it, he's been doing it for longer than I care to remember.

 

[bobbyrob]

Instant Red Card should be given that will stop the rot

 

[coyney]

What annoys me is he done a Terry the women would be charged with rape

 

[GhostOfDixie]

Part of the problem is that refs are influenced by the so called bigger players. So they will always favour them over lesser clubs.

So either the FA/Uefa/Fifa/God whoever is in charge need to setup an independent committee in each division who watch contentious issues the monday following the weekends games, and then if they see any ref giving fouls for diving, or players going down to easily - and if they do, that ref loses his match fee, or however he gets paid.

Because basically they are not doing their job, and if they continue to miss blatant cheating, then quite simply they get sacked or demoted.

A similar committee needs to be setup to deal with the players and if they are found to be cheating then they get a match fine.

Unfortunately though it's part of the culture of football, and players like Malouda and Drogba see nothing wrong with going down and writhing about in pain.

Also I believe if they are on the touchline and are rolling about in pain, well then game continues like Rugby, and if they want treatment they need to roll off and let the physio deal with them off the field - I think it's absolutely pathetic that the physio's are allowed on the field of play when the player can simply roll off and be treated, it keeps the game flowing.

I mean the player will need to go off the field anyway, but still they do it, still they dive, fein injury, try and get players sent off, try and stop the game, etc...

None of these players have ever had a crunching tackle worthy of an injury. Big girls all of them.

 

[Muggins]

Finally saw the highlights (lowlights) of the [Poor language removed] vs. Arsenal match and saw where Gerrard dove right in front of the ref.

After I saw it, I just couldn't help but feel utterly embarrassed for Gerrard.

It was that bad.

When I used to play sunday football, Diving was like wearing pink boots.

never.

 

[Muggins]

What annoys me is he done a Terry the women would be charged with rape

and public execution.

 

[Seamus Colemole]

Part of the problem is that refs are influenced by the so called bigger players. So they will always favour them over lesser clubs.

So either the FA/Uefa/Fifa/God whoever is in charge need to setup an independent committee in each division who watch contentious issues the monday following the weekends games, and then if they see any ref giving fouls for diving, or players going down to easily - and if they do, that ref loses his match fee, or however he gets paid.

Because basically they are not doing their job, and if they continue to miss blatant cheating, then quite simply they get sacked or demoted.

A similar committee needs to be setup to deal with the players and if they are found to be cheating then they get a match fine.
.

Actually a refs job is to call it as he sees it and give the decisions, its just his view of things.

If what you suggest happens refs are just gonna say **** it and not bother if they are gonna not get paid for making a mistake.

And then you get no refs. Until we can build robotic refs who never get anything wrong that is.

Its the players who need to be targeted not the refs so yeah have a commitee or whatever to take action against any player blatantly cheating.

Gonna be tough on the players who get done for cheating that actually weren't though.

 

[zed]

To be fair though, and this may well cause a few murmurs from the back, Arteta and Pienaar do their very best to go down also.

But there clever with it, they use the players leg and make sure that contact is made by the way they manipulate the situation.

Gerrard though swan dives at every opportunity.

to compare arteta and pienaar to stevie g is very strange . they dont kick legs or initiate contact to gain fouls. owen was good at that but stevie g uses this as a massive part of his game

 

[GhostOfDixie]

Actually a refs job is to call it as he sees it and give the decisions, its just his view of things.

If what you suggest happens refs are just gonna say **** it and not bother if they are gonna not get paid for making a mistake.

And then you get no refs. Until we can build robotic refs who never get anything wrong that is.

Its the players who need to be targeted not the refs so yeah have a commitee or whatever to take action against any player blatantly cheating.

Gonna be tough on the players who get done for cheating that actually weren't though.

What a pile of crap. Ref's see what they want to see, and that my friend is a fact. How can a ref not give a penalty at Old Trafford for as long as it happened during this decade and the 90's. It was like 4 in 10 seasons or something like that.

How can a ref say that there are 5 minutes injury time on Wednesday night when there was only 5 subs made before the board went up? That equals 2 and half minutes (30 secs each), where was the other 2 and half minutes?

How can a ref who knows that there are 30 seconds to be added for each sub blew for full time in the derby 10 seconds after Liverpool made their final change?

Ref's are suspect and by in large are [Poor language removed] at their job. They get paid a decent wage to be [Poor language removed] at their job.

Fact.

 

[GhostOfDixie]

to compare arteta and pienaar to stevie g is very strange . they dont kick legs or initiate contact to gain fouls. owen was good at that but stevie g uses this as a massive part of his game

Arteta moves into a position where contact is inevitible and he wins a free-kick. Pienaar also. Is it diving? No because a foul has been committed, but it's forcing the defender to commit that foul which I think also needs to be addressed.

It all comes down to players trying to get other players into trouble, and although Gerrard is now starting to get lambasted for it, Le Tiss today on Sky saying he basically dived again, I think we need to have a balanced view on what is deemed cheating and professional diving.

In other words trying not to look at things through Rose Tinted glasses, which unfortunately most Evertonians seem to do.