Does Gareth Southgate deserve more respect and gratitude?

[the golden visionary]

He's lucky.

He's had the easiest runs in tournaments you could get.

He's also lucky to have a crop of players who are among the best in the world in their position.

He's also lucky that there's been a visible slump in talent in many of the top nations which have coincided with his reign

He's got no tactical awareness, he's terrified to make a sub.

All his achievements are because if the players not him.

So, no. He deserves more

 

[Davidoff]

At least two trophies down, thanks to his ineptitude.

Knows exactly how to work a room of stuffed shirts though, so here 'we' are

 

[chrismpw]

We scored after 2 minutes, mate.

Yeah but those 2 minutes were great.

 

[the golden visionary]

Yeah but those 2 minutes were great.

Your not the first man to say that

 

[chicoazul]

He’s England’s second best ever Manager, it’s just that England fans and the media are international kopites with out of control entitlement and misplaced grandeur. They’ll chase him out and England will return to being really crap again.

 

[Goat]

He’s England’s second best ever Manager, it’s just that England fans and the media are international kopites with out of control entitlement and misplaced grandeur. They’ll chase him out and England will return to being really crap again.

England have never been really crap mate.

 

[Rita_Poon]

England have never been really crap mate.

 

[Lobworm]

He’s England’s second best ever Manager, it’s just that England fans and the media are international kopites with out of control entitlement and misplaced grandeur. They’ll chase him out and England will return to being really crap again.

I'm not sure it's entitlement lid. Ingerlund fans expect to lose (in the end), much like we do. The media are horrible though tbf.

I think it's more to do with the fact (opinion) that Southgate has probably got the best midfield/attacking options since the early 00s but he seems to be happy playing defensively. We play far too deep, have playing fellas out of position, he shoehorns a fullback into midfield for 2 games as though it's a warm up match vs a local non league team, we lack ideas, we look rubbish and leggy.

All told, we are still in the tournament, and barring a massive disaster we should qualify for the knockouts when anything can happen*

*out on pens to Scotland

Austria

AAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[Lineker]

Turgid predictable football aside, making a fantastic collection of talent play like Everton at any time in the last 3 years, he got us to a final where we were crushing Italy until we scored and sat back Everton style inviting them into the game where ultimately they out-cheated us as only Italian teams can. In doing that he's done more than any manager since Alf Ramsey and at the time we really did play well.

I never join in with the media driven frenzy designed to sell copy, while destroying the confidence of sny english olayer or manager, but I lost a bit of confidence in him on this squad selection. Lost more watching a squad brimming full of attacking talent, play defensively - really badly - once ahead. I was hoping I'd ignore this tournament because my interest in football has been pretty much killed off. I wish I'd followed my instinct. Have watched 3 games so far (2 England, 1 scotland) and really wish my telly had exploded instead.

Hopefully he'll turn it around.

Post of the year, really.

 

[YoboCopter]

He's lucky.

He's had the easiest runs in tournaments you could get.

He's also lucky to have a crop of players who are among the best in the world in their position.

He's also lucky that there's been a visible slump in talent in many of the top nations which have coincided with his reign

He's got no tactical awareness, he's terrified to make a sub.

All his achievements are because if the players not him.

So, no. He deserves more

Exactly this

Wasting this current crop

 

[summerisle]

 

[Billy Dean]

I voted no. I think if England had kept Hodgson or Allardyce in charge we would've won the last Euros. Probably the last 2 World Cups too.

 

[Ed_Winchester]

It’s a combination of him being a David Moyes type manager and false expectations of England every time we get to a tournament.

With the quality available England should nearly always breeze through tournament qualification, but at the actual tournaments successive managers shoot themselves in the feet.

With Southgate it’s looks inevitable that at the first big nation he comes up against, he’s lost for answers. The Kalvin Phillips comment the other night was just bonkers.

That and he refers to Jordan Henderson as ‘Hendo’, should be more than enough to get him his P45.

All the pieces are there for a balanced team but he sets up rather cautiously and likes his square pegs in round holes. He made a big show about selecting people in form yet only took one unfit left back.

 

[Furey1878]

I think Southgate deserves credit for building a team culture, getting rid of the toxic environment in which players hated each other. Whether you like it or not, he's had a system and a way of playing where other Managers have failed to implement anything. Also, generally speaking, has had a long term / big picture view when picking his squad and has been less tempted to keep people on too long or pick some bum who has had a decent season (Branthwaite aside I suppose).

However, you cannot ignore the fact that whenever England come up against an actually decent side in the competitions, they almost always lose. As much as his record will show a Semi and a Final, they basically beat no marks all the way and lost to the first good team. There is a lot of attacking talent in the team right now as well but they look like they are receiving the instructions that Dyche would give us if we were down to 10 men.

Personally, after England inevitably go out in the quarters, I think you thank him for his time and try and get someone who can get the best out of the talent England have. I do think people are a bit too harsh on him, I doubt think he would think himself to be an elite manager, but his record is good and the players like him.

 

[Milk]

Samuel giving him absolute pelters in his column yesterday saying that he was failing his audition for "big club management" by his reactive subs and that he cannot get a tune out of players who are tearing it up for their club sides (didn't mention Pickers at this point oddly)