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Lukaku is a seriously good striker. Poor linkup play but he scores goals and always has, even in dysfunctional teams.
Anyway, I'm enjoying the general piping-down of DCL moaners now he's been given a run in the team. Which, by the way, has pretty much perfectly coincided with our good run of form. He's still *really young* for a prem striker too.
Anyway, I'm enjoying the general piping-down of DCL moaners now he's been given a run in the team. Which, by the way, has pretty much perfectly coincided with our good run of form. He's still *really young* for a prem striker too.
You said he's scored 20+ goals in the toughest league but now you want to throw in goals vs Europa league minnows and league cup sides etc to plump them up.....
20+ goal strikers are 20 goal in the league strikers not 20 goal in any other game where I can boost my tally.
Why are we still comparing lukaku goals vs DCL as the mark of being a better player??? no one is saying DCL has more goals.... no one is actually saying DCL is a good finisher.
What we are saying is DCL makes us a better team.... he enables players around him to score.
As it happens.... based on his opportunities to score DCL should have 5.62 goals he has scored 6... Lukaku should have 12.81 and has 12....
It's not like he is wasting chances.
evertonarntwe
Player Valuation: £35m
ok lets first point out I didn't say he has 20+ league goals, I said he has 20+ whilst playing in the hardest league, completely different arguments
so you are saying DCL makes us a better team because he enables people around him to score but united sit comfortably ahead of us in the league? I'm not denying DCL has done boss recently either btw but they are two completely different types of striker, one holds up play and gets others involved and one quite clearly scores goals on a regular basis
"As it happens.... based on his opportunities to score DCL should have 5.62 goals he has scored 6... Lukaku should have 12.81 and has 12...."
where have you plucked that from? what does it even mean? doesn't even make sense
Furey1878
Player Valuation: £70m
Tbf mate the front 4 share the responsibility of scoring and creating goals.
I think much of that point gap can be breached by our Goalie not being a t!t, actually defending set pieces and midfielders and defenders not playing through balls to opposition strikers.
Again tbf it looks like we’ve stopped those things for the most part but too little too late, just hope it bodes well for next season.
So because something happened 32 years Means that we should do it again? You do realise that the game has changed don’t you? Try showing me a single prem winning team that’s leading scorer scored 14 goals? That’s what Steven got wasn’t it?
We sit mikes behind Man U and they sit just as far behind city and RS . DCL is 1 of 4 attacking players we have that will be picked 90% of the time if they’re fit. Siggy , richy , Bernie, and him, the first two have really good goal returns and although they may score more next season , that’s asking a lot and if they did it’s not going to be by much. That leaves DCL and Bernie, now Bernie has never scored goals in his career so if we are to stick with DCL as our main striker we need goals from the left, so means we have to get rid of Bernie or make him back up, this is not my preferred option as Digne ( our player of the year imo) plays well with Bernie. So basically to increase our goal out put we need a striker that scores . We could replace Gana who has been immense since jan or Gomes and try find a scoring CM I guess but then the system changes doesn’t it? Even if we created more I don’t think our goals scored would increase as much as it should because if DCL is on the end of them we isn’t clinical.
Mate I’m not in the stands screaming at him, I don’t post him hate mail and I don’t wait outside his house with banners saying he’s crap. I just don’t think he’s good and mention it on here. We never replaced Lukaku or his goals and that needs addressing if we are to have any chance of breaking into top 6
But two of our 4 attackers have had good goal returns so just DCL and Bernie , one needs to be replaced with someone that offers 15 goals. Finding and attracting a LW like that is going to be hard, finding a striker like that is far more likely
"one has constantly hit 20+ goals for about 7 seasons in the "hardest" league in the world,"
That's what you said.
The reality is that you are using a very tired piece of spin that people use to plump up strikers goals.... the 20 goal a season striker cliche came about on the belief that a team needed a 20 goal a season striker to win the league...... so why would cup goals be added????
The expected goals (xg) factor is a well known stat that takes opportunities to score into account....
It gives clarity as to how a player does vs his opportunity to score. Basically if a player scores 20 goals in a side where he's had 100 chances vs a player who scored 5 goals out of 6 chances.... the player with 5/6 has s better xg
MKS
Player Valuation: £750k
If he can start regularly next season (30ish) I’ll back him to score 12 league goals.
If a striker is bough in the summer I don’t think it will be someone who will be a clear number 1. Silva and Brands obviously rate DCL really highly and I think they will give him every chance to be our number 1 striker. Hopefully after a pre season of finishing training we will see a big improvement in that department.
He’s also only bloody 22.
If a striker is bough in the summer I don’t think it will be someone who will be a clear number 1. Silva and Brands obviously rate DCL really highly and I think they will give him every chance to be our number 1 striker. Hopefully after a pre season of finishing training we will see a big improvement in that department.
He’s also only bloody 22.
evertonarntwe
Player Valuation: £35m
my bad on the first point, I meant he scores 20+ whilst playing in the hardest league, i'll give you that one
im not using anything to plump his record, it's fact for everyone to see lukaku is a goalscorer, he has scored goals wherever he has been it's no coincidence.
the reason I mentioned his world cup goals is because your saying a kid who has done well for 12 matches at 22 years of age is "In fact" a better than a player who has scored goals continually for years at every stage he has played at, whether that me the prem, Europe, domestic cups, world cups, euros, qualifiers
DCL is not better than lukaku at the minute
Ffs use Google
Lampard- 13 goals for Chelsea in 2005, cantona 14 in 96, Hughes and sheringham got 15 in 93 and 01, bergkamp 16 in 98, Ronaldo 17 in 07....
Toffee-nerd
Player Valuation: £20m
We can close in on the teams above us massively next year just by staying solid. Weve carried a threat consistently this season in our attacking play. It's been the defensive side that's been a shambles, those 10 or so games where we conceded consistently from set pieces cost us massively this season. I agree with you we need another striker but it's also blatanlty obvious that dcl has some genuine talent. We are only gonna find out how good he can be if he gets game time. He has done fantastically well with this run of games hes had and deserves to be included in our first team plans for next season. I hope we do get Europa next season because that would be a really good fit for him to pick up games, little less intensity to hopefully get a good run of goals going which he can carry into the league.
DCL is improving as a player at a frightening rate. If he could add regular goalscoring to what he already offers he would certainly be worth more than Lukaku because his willingness to work selflessly for the team is matched by very few.
The test is if he can add more goals to his game and time will tell us that. We have seen reckless and poor shooting from him at times but last Sunday we saw teammates letting him down with poor passes when DCL was trying to get into goalscoring positions.
I don't see how anybody can confidently say he won't become an all round player when we see just how he is improving so much as a player season on season.
Lukaku is very poor at the moment, I think he is best in an envoirnment where the whole team is built around him as it was at Everton, that is not the case at Utd and I don't believe their supporters have been fully convinced by him at any time.
The test is if he can add more goals to his game and time will tell us that. We have seen reckless and poor shooting from him at times but last Sunday we saw teammates letting him down with poor passes when DCL was trying to get into goalscoring positions.
I don't see how anybody can confidently say he won't become an all round player when we see just how he is improving so much as a player season on season.
Lukaku is very poor at the moment, I think he is best in an envoirnment where the whole team is built around him as it was at Everton, that is not the case at Utd and I don't believe their supporters have been fully convinced by him at any time.
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