2017/18 Dominic Calvert-Lewin

[Toffe3m4n]

The capacity for him to improve is there. He's been thrust into the spotlight this season and he's done well to cope and I've seen nothing to suggest otherwise that his attitude isn't spot on.

I think the next step for him is to add more goals to his game. If he does that then I'm confident that he'll really start to kick on.

 

[evertonarntwe]

weird one DCL, he's a player who's very decent at a lot of things but not great in anything

think he will be a good player, but as far as starting upfront on his own, it's a no go he just doesn't offer enough of a goal threat to be on his own

 

[Barnfred 55]

The capacity for him to improve is there. He's been thrust into the spotlight this season and he's done well to cope and I've seen nothing to suggest otherwise that his attitude isn't spot on.

I think the next step for him is to add more goals to his game. If he does that then I'm confident that he'll really start to kick on.

This is the big thing he's lacking at the moment. He is decent enough in the air and can use both feet so he just needs to put himself I n the right positions and gain some composure. The first can be taught (and you'd hope our coaches are working on this on 1-1 basis) and you just have to hope that the latter comes with experience.

 

[edge]

weird one DCL, he's a player who's very decent at a lot of things but not great in anything

think he will be a good player, but as far as starting upfront on his own, it's a no go he just doesn't offer enough of a goal threat to be on his own

could do with a bit of an arl arse up front with him to guide him at this stage of his career, going to be a really good player this lad

 

[Barnfred 55]

Just to try and put this into some perspective, at the age that DCL is now Kane was a bit part player for Spurs, but scored 3 goals in 10 PL appearances. DCL has scored 2 in 24 PL appearances for us. Kane had scored 14 goals in 53 games in his football league appearances, all at League 1 or above, while DCL has 5 in 31, all at League 2 level.

There really isn't anything to suggest that DCL is another Kane, so I'm not sure why people keep bringing it up. Kane was born in July, in the season which started 2 weeks after his 21st birthday he scored 31 goals in 51 games. DCL turns 21 in March, has anyone seen anything to suggest he's going to score 10 goals in the last couple of months of the season?

This isn't meant to knock DCL, quite the opposite. If people keep talking about him as if he may turn out like Kane then they'll inevitably be disappointed when he doesn't. I just don't think he's that kind of striker to be honest, he doesn't get into a huge amount of goalscoring positions, and when he does he doesn't finish very well. Kane was a natural goalscorer from an early age, he's a bit of a freak and comparing players to him is usually going to end in disappointment. A lot of people have used the Danny Welbeck comparison which I think is more like it, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with being a player of that level.

Just to put a different spin on your stats mate. I'm ignoring last season for DCL as Kane didn't play in the premier league at the same age. I'm also extending the comparison to all games, not just league matches.

This season DCL has scored 5 in 24 games, a goal every 4.8 games. At a similar age playing for the first team, Kane scored 4 in 19 games, a goal every 4.75 games.

Outside the PL, DCL scored 8 in 26 games, a goal every 3.25 games. Kane scored 16 in 60 games, a goal every 3.75 games, but at a higher level than DCL played.

Looking at the stats from this perspective show that neither DCL or Kane were/are prolific goal scorers at an early age, and certainly doesn't show Kane as a natural finisher.

IIRC, the following season under Poch, Kane started scoring goals out of nowhere in both the EL and League cup, at a time when the team were misfiring in the league. The fans started clamouring for him to be included in the league set up, and when he was he carried on his goal scoring form there. And hasn't stopped since. As you say, the guys a freak.

Now I agree fully that DCL has not shown any signs whatsoever that he's capable of a similar turnaround in the goals department. But lets not make out that Kane was so much better than DCL is at the same age, because it's just not true.

In fairness, I don't think anybody on here is expecting DCL to turn out as good as Kane. We wish. But there are a lot of posters on here who have been completely dismissive (and that's being kind) of the lad and it's in response to those posts that people are making these comparisons. In other words, stop writing the kid off when he's still only 20. Look at Harry Kane at the same age.

I think a fairer comparison is with Graeme Sharp (not sure how old you are mate s you may not have seen him play much). We brought him to Everton at 20, similar to DCL, and he was very similar in style. But it took him a long time before he started getting regular goals, and even then he was never prolific in the way Kane is now. But he led the line during the most successful period in our history and if DCL does half as good for us I'll be happy.

 

[MACCA75]

Hopefully Sam will loan him out in Jan once we sign a proper striker.

 

[Lanolin]

Just to put a different spin on your stats mate. I'm ignoring last season for DCL as Kane didn't play in the premier league at the same age. I'm also extending the comparison to all games, not just league matches.

This season DCL has scored 5 in 24 games, a goal every 4.8 games. At a similar age playing for the first team, Kane scored 4 in 19 games, a goal every 4.75 games.

Outside the PL, DCL scored 8 in 26 games, a goal every 3.25 games. Kane scored 16 in 60 games, a goal every 3.75 games, but at a higher level than DCL played.

Looking at the stats from this perspective show that neither DCL or Kane were/are prolific goal scorers at an early age, and certainly doesn't show Kane as a natural finisher.

IIRC, the following season under Poch, Kane started scoring goals out of nowhere in both the EL and League cup, at a time when the team were misfiring in the league. The fans started clamouring for him to be included in the league set up, and when he was he carried on his goal scoring form there. And hasn't stopped since. As you say, the guys a freak.

Now I agree fully that DCL has not shown any signs whatsoever that he's capable of a similar turnaround in the goals department. But lets not make out that Kane was so much better than DCL is at the same age, because it's just not true.

In fairness, I don't think anybody on here is expecting DCL to turn out as good as Kane. We wish. But there are a lot of posters on here who have been completely dismissive (and that's being kind) of the lad and it's in response to those posts that people are making these comparisons. In other words, stop writing the kid off when he's still only 20. Look at Harry Kane at the same age.

I think a fairer comparison is with Graeme Sharp (not sure how old you are mate s you may not have seen him play much). We brought him to Everton at 20, similar to DCL, and he was very similar in style. But it took him a long time before he started getting regular goals, and even then he was never prolific in the way Kane is now. But he led the line during the most successful period in our history and if DCL does half as good for us I'll be happy.

Yeah that's fair. I didn't see Sharp apart from the very tail end of his career so I'm not best placed to comment on that.

Just need to point a few things out though. I deliberately only used league games because it gives a much clearer basis for comparison. The quality of teams does not differ hugely, whereas saying DCL scored against Ruzomberok and Sunderland's reserves but Kane didn't score against Sevilla or City (I'm just using these as examples, I have no idea who Spurs played in Europe or the cups that season) tells us precisely nothing. Also DCL's stats there are wrong, you've only looked at the 8 in 26 for Northampton and ignored the 0 in 12 at a higher level for Sheffield United, which makes an enormous difference to the figures.

My comment about Kane being a natural finisher was not based on stats, it's based on everything I've seen and read about him. His junior coaches raved about his movement and finishing, and he was prolific for Spurs at junior levels, while DCL appears to have been more of a target man than goalscorer.

Just to repeat, I think he's going to be a good player but I just don't think the comparisons are helpful in any way. I know you're saying it to defend him, but saying 'look at Harry Kane at the same age' just opens it up for people to come back in 3 months time when he's turned 21 and say 'yeah I am, Kane scored 21 league goals and another 10 in the cups at that age so DCL is clearly rubbish'.

 

[Stephenlloyd]

Just to put a different spin on your stats mate. I'm ignoring last season for DCL as Kane didn't play in the premier league at the same age. I'm also extending the comparison to all games, not just league matches.

This season DCL has scored 5 in 24 games, a goal every 4.8 games. At a similar age playing for the first team, Kane scored 4 in 19 games, a goal every 4.75 games.

Outside the PL, DCL scored 8 in 26 games, a goal every 3.25 games. Kane scored 16 in 60 games, a goal every 3.75 games, but at a higher level than DCL played.

Looking at the stats from this perspective show that neither DCL or Kane were/are prolific goal scorers at an early age, and certainly doesn't show Kane as a natural finisher.

IIRC, the following season under Poch, Kane started scoring goals out of nowhere in both the EL and League cup, at a time when the team were misfiring in the league. The fans started clamouring for him to be included in the league set up, and when he was he carried on his goal scoring form there. And hasn't stopped since. As you say, the guys a freak.

Now I agree fully that DCL has not shown any signs whatsoever that he's capable of a similar turnaround in the goals department. But lets not make out that Kane was so much better than DCL is at the same age, because it's just not true.

In fairness, I don't think anybody on here is expecting DCL to turn out as good as Kane. We wish. But there are a lot of posters on here who have been completely dismissive (and that's being kind) of the lad and it's in response to those posts that people are making these comparisons. In other words, stop writing the kid off when he's still only 20. Look at Harry Kane at the same age.

I think a fairer comparison is with Graeme Sharp (not sure how old you are mate s you may not have seen him play much). We brought him to Everton at 20, similar to DCL, and he was very similar in style. But it took him a long time before he started getting regular goals, and even then he was never prolific in the way Kane is now. But he led the line during the most successful period in our history and if DCL does half as good for us I'll be happy.

Great post
I remember watching Kane for England at the world under 20’s about 5yrs ago.
He looked awful, slow, poor touch and missed some sitters. I think he may have scored one goal.
England went out at the group stage.

I watched it because Barkley was playing in the number 10 role and put about 5 or 6 great chances on a plate for Kane.

Incredible after watching that and seeing the player now.

 

[gonetomorrow]

He toiled away manfully up front as he has done so far this season with scant reward. He should get more time in the reserves in my view along with Davies. Take the pressure off them a bit.

Once Sam has brought in some hairy-ersed old pros in January maybe that'll happen. Maybe not.

 

[Eggs]

Just to put a different spin on your stats mate. I'm ignoring last season for DCL as Kane didn't play in the premier league at the same age. I'm also extending the comparison to all games, not just league matches.

This season DCL has scored 5 in 24 games, a goal every 4.8 games. At a similar age playing for the first team, Kane scored 4 in 19 games, a goal every 4.75 games.

Outside the PL, DCL scored 8 in 26 games, a goal every 3.25 games. Kane scored 16 in 60 games, a goal every 3.75 games, but at a higher level than DCL played.

Looking at the stats from this perspective show that neither DCL or Kane were/are prolific goal scorers at an early age, and certainly doesn't show Kane as a natural finisher.

IIRC, the following season under Poch, Kane started scoring goals out of nowhere in both the EL and League cup, at a time when the team were misfiring in the league. The fans started clamouring for him to be included in the league set up, and when he was he carried on his goal scoring form there. And hasn't stopped since. As you say, the guys a freak.

Now I agree fully that DCL has not shown any signs whatsoever that he's capable of a similar turnaround in the goals department. But lets not make out that Kane was so much better than DCL is at the same age, because it's just not true.

In fairness, I don't think anybody on here is expecting DCL to turn out as good as Kane. We wish. But there are a lot of posters on here who have been completely dismissive (and that's being kind) of the lad and it's in response to those posts that people are making these comparisons. In other words, stop writing the kid off when he's still only 20. Look at Harry Kane at the same age.

I think a fairer comparison is with Graeme Sharp (not sure how old you are mate s you may not have seen him play much). We brought him to Everton at 20, similar to DCL, and he was very similar in style. But it took him a long time before he started getting regular goals, and even then he was never prolific in the way Kane is now. But he led the line during the most successful period in our history and if DCL does half as good for us I'll be happy.

..I do think Kane is a different type and I totally agree that comparisons with Sharp are more accurate. Indeed as soon as I first saw him for the U23 I posted the Sharp comparison in youth team thread. Sharp was never a prolific scorer but the likes of Lineker, Gray, Heath and Cottee benefited greatly from his link play. Kane hits a ‘heavy’ ball, he will always score goals with that ability. Kane has the ability to make a difference, we’re not seeing that with DCL.

I like him, I think he can only improve.

 

[Tel001]

Where did you dig that post up from?. It was referring to Ross Barkley so I wouldnt have thought it was this thread.

Anyway. Agree with everything you say there. DCL isnt ready for the amounr if football being forced upon in him at this level. Especially in a dysfunctioning team with zero suppiort from senior players. But it usnt his fault that we have an incompetent board and doesnt deserve some of the disgraceful comments seen on here when he clearly isnt ready yet.

I agree with a lot of your posts mate.. Its mainly Ross we cross swords on.

Didn't did it up from anywhere I just replied to a post...

 

[Nymzee]

I do like DCL... but he's not good enough yet... he has promise but you can't have a striker that doesn't score playing alone up top.

I love his attitude and he has games where his touch is great and brings others into play... but his finishing is no where near what it needs to be .

He played alone up top last night and we scored 4 goals? Why do people talk like he’s got to be our only source of goals? We’re not just Lukaku FC anymore.

 

[APN_EFC]

Whatever ppl say just be patient- he was supposed to be a back up and is developing in front of us instead of the u23 Team - he’s showing great potential

 

[IV(AC)]

Led the line well last night. Good movement and strength. Clever distribution. Well done DCL

 

[Tel001]

He played alone up top last night and we scored 4 goals? Why do people talk like he’s got to be our only source of goals? We’re not just Lukaku FC anymore.

Mate .... you can't tell me that he would be leading the line every week for any other club in the prem... and incase you noticed we havnt scored goals all season.. last night was the only time we have won comfortably all season