Donald Trump for President Thread

[Seanjd]

I wouldn't have let Muslims immigrate to begin with. Certainly not in high numbers. But this is all just my opinion. I think that overall the two cultures will clash and people will suffer as a result.

There is a huge difference between simply denying entry and removing people by force.

I would strip the citizenship of those that leave to fight in Syria.

I do not strive for multiculturalism. I believe a nation should have one predominant culture which immigrants assimilate to.

But earlier you were writing about risk, and how banning all Muslims entering a country is a sure fire way of keeping 'your own' people safe.

So in the same regard, if you have this view, then surely you would have to do something about the millions of Muslims already living in the country, as they are as much a terrorism risk in your eyes than potential future Muslim immigrants?

 

[SNova]

Sweet Lord.

Sweet baby Jesus and the orphans

Wait, how is that shocking? Surely anyone who supports a ban on Muslim immigration now would support a ban from the start? To avoid the current problems.

 

[Goat]

Wait, how is that shocking? Surely anyone who supports a ban on Muslim immigration now would support a ban from the start?

I think its the level of your islamophobia that shocked me more than anything.

I didnt think people like you actually existed.

 

[SNova]

But earlier you were writing about risk, and how banning all Muslims entering a country is a sure fire way of keeping 'your own' people safe.

So in the same regard, if you have this view, then surely you would have to do something about the millions of Muslims already living in the country as they are as much a terrorism risk in your eyes than potential future Muslim immigrants?

Yes I understand your point. But you cannot just deport people by force who have done nothing wrong. That's morally wrong. And even the logistics of it, where could they go? Unfortunately if we continue on the politically correct multicultural path we are on now, extremists will rise and peaceful law abiding folk will probably be hounded out of the country.

I do not want this, but I see it as a frightening possibility.

I think its the level of your islamophobia that shocked me more than anything.

I didnt think people like you actually existed.

Well okay, it seems like a logical conclusion and I cannot fathom how one could support the first notion and not the second. Can you?

 

[Seanjd]

Unfortunately if we continue on the politically correct multicultural path we are on now, extremists will rise and peaceful law abiding folk will probably be hounded out of the country.

I do not want this, but I see it as a frightening possibility.

This reads a bit like radicalisation propaganda.

 

[SNova]

This reads a bit like radicalisation propaganda.

How do you mean? Do you not see that as a worrying possibility?

More and more attacks followed by non action by the ruling elites will most likely push people to extreme positions.

That's what worries me.

And all the suffering could have been avoided.

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Look I'll leave it at that. We'll never agree.

My position on the matter comes from me wanting the future to be safe for my family, future kids, the nation and for peaceful Muslims.

I try to look at the world as it is, not how it ought to be.

 

[tsubaki]

This reads a bit like radicalisation propaganda.

It isn't wrong, though.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Yes I understand your point. But you cannot just deport people by force who have done nothing wrong. That's morally wrong. And even the logistics of it, where could they go? Unfortunately if we continue on the politically correct multicultural path we are on now, extremists will rise and peaceful law abiding folk will probably be hounded out of the country.

I do not want this, but I see it as a frightening possibility.



Well okay, it seems like a logical conclusion and I cannot fathom how one could support the first notion and not the second. Can you?

Err but that is precisely what Trump proposes to do with the childen of illegal immigrants, both those born in the US and those brought over at a young age.

 

[SNova]

Err but that is precisely what Trump proposes to do with the childen of illegal immigrants, both those born in the US and those brought over at a young age.

I don't agree that an illegal immigrants child should have a right to live in America.

 

[Brennan]

Yes I understand your point. But you cannot just deport people by force who have done nothing wrong. That's morally wrong. And even the logistics of it, where could they go? Unfortunately if we continue on the politically correct multicultural path we are on now, extremists will rise and peaceful law abiding folk will probably be hounded out of the country.

I do not want this, but I see it as a frightening possibility.



Well okay, it seems like a logical conclusion and I cannot fathom how one could support the first notion and not the second. Can you?

You're mental.

 

[LinekersLegs]

I don't agree that an illegal immigrants child should have a right to live in America.

And Trump has often stated a similar view. Which logically means you have to deport them doesn't it if you have a zero tolerance for illegal residents?

How do you square that with your original statement that to forcefully deport someone who has done nothing wrong is morally wrong? And logistically where do they go - they are often not citizens of any other country?

 

[SNova]

You're mental.

It's human nature? If people can't change things through the ballot box via normal avenues they will eventually go to the extremes. Surely you see that?

I'm not advocating it. Literally the opposite. I'm trying to stop this.

It's why you see the rise of the odious alt right.

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I won't be discussing this further as I know the topic can get heated.

And Trump has often stated a similar view. Which logically means you have to deport them doesn't it if you have a zero tolerance for illegal residents?

How do you square that with your original statement that to forcefully deport someone who has done nothing wrong is morally wrong? And logistically where do they go - they are often not citizens of any other country?

Well that's true. They themselves have not done anything wrong. However their parents did.

I mean I don't think Someone should be able to illegally enter a country and by simply giving birth, have their child automatically become a citizen.

That can't be right surely.

 

[Elong]

Just because we live in a democratic world where everyone has a viewpoint, doesn't mean we should take note and listen to the lizards.

 

[SNova]

Just because we live in a democratic world where everyone has a viewpoint, doesn't mean we should take note and listen to the lizards.

Yup, I have different opinions to most on here. The majority are left wing. However, I try to be polite and I try not to insult others. I have no ill meaning towards anybody. And although things I write on here can seem blunt, I'm a nice guy and in real life I'm pretty decent at explaining my viewpoints.

 

[LinekersLegs]

It's human nature? If people can't change things through the ballot box via normal avenues they will eventually go to the extremes. Surely you see that?

I'm not advocating it. Literally the opposite. I'm trying to stop this.

It's why you see the rise of the odious alt right.

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I won't be discussing this further as I know the topic can get heated.



Well that's true. They themselves have not done anything wrong. However their parents did.

I mean I don't think Someone should be able to illegally enter a country and by simply giving birth, have their child automatically become a citizen.

That can't be right surely.

It has been US law for over 100 years (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Wong_Kim_Ark) and despite several attempts to change it still is.

Personally would find it monstrous to strip people of their US citizenship and deport them just because their parents didn't fill in some paperwork.

 

[SNova]

It has been US law for over 100 years (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Wong_Kim_Ark) and despite several attempts to change it still is.

Personally would find it monstrous to strip people of their US citizenship and deport them just because their parents didn't fill in some paperwork.

I don't agree with the law. I would change it.

But how would you stop illegals from simply giving birth to obtain citizenship?