Donald Trump for President Thread

[LinekersLegs]

But mainly for me as they represented a homogenised, bland, seen it all before brand of politics, barely worth media coverage ; which open the way to the abyss with the current candidate. The circus was in town so the media covered it.

Yep, there were understandable reasons why it happened that way. But it did give Trump a huge advantage in getting out his ideas and message to those that would find it attractive.

It is a double edged sword as for every speech that was shown live it might have turned off several general election voters off for every primary voter he attracted but as a short term strategy to win the nomination it was excellent.

 

[dholliday]

It's been pretty disappointing from the media that they've waited till now to release these tapes on Trump....they could have done this a year ago and this whole mess could have been avoided...

It is for the Party and the candidate to sort out the skeletons which may fall out of the cupboard not the press. I probably have As low opinion as anyone in regard to the gutter press but this is them doing their job. They may have a motive in choosing their moment but the point of a free press is to expose wrong doing in those who seek public office.

The free press choose what they release, what they highlight and when they want their readers to know about it.

'Revelations' about 10-year old boasting, and allegations of groping from 30 years ago, are highlighted and released weeks before the election to maximise negative impact on the candidate they don't want to win.

As such the term 'free' is relative. See also the rampant anti-Corbyn and anti-Russia rhetoric.

 

[Caolam]

he's popular because -frankly- people are tired of corruption. He is an outsider from the political game, that fascinates people and thats why he has been forgiven so many times. He symbolizes rebellion against the forces that are out of reach of normal people forces that are effecting in american economy and especially job situation (globalisation) . It's rather amazing how popular he is. Everybody are amazed. Without medias support to Clinton he might have had a chance.

This nonsense about him being from outside the establishment is one of the things that amazes me most. How has He managed to convince people of that. Yes, he is not an established politician but he is very much part of the business/banking/commercial establishment. He is certainly not anti-establishment.

 

[tsubaki]

It is for the Party and the candidate to sort out the skeletons which may fall out of the cupboard not the press. I probably have As low opinion as anyone in regard to the gutter press but this is them doing their job. They may have a motive in choosing their moment but the point of a free press is to expose wrong doing in those who seek public office.

It is, but there is abundant evidence that they are not doing that and that haven't been doing it for years.

 

[Caolam]

The free press choose what they release, what they highlight and when they want their readers to know about it.

'Revelations' about 10-year old boasting, and allegations of groping from 30 years ago, are highlighted and released weeks before the election to maximise negative impact on the candidate they don't want to win.

As such the term 'free' is relative. See also the rampant anti-Corbyn and anti-Russia rhetoric.

I couldn't agree with you more, they choose their time to release the news but the Republicans and Trump had an opportunity to put things like this in the public domain, they didn't. They choose to hide it and hope it doesn't come out. In seems somewhat disingenuous to complain that papers use information to their best advantage when you have been trying to bury inform to your best advantage.
Seems to me there are arguing about degrees of dishonesty.

 

[tsubaki]

This nonsense about him being from outside the establishment is one of the things that amazes me most. How has He managed to convince people of that. Yes, he is not an established politician but he is very much part of the business/banking/commercial establishment. He is certainly not anti-establishment.

It would be more correct for him to say that he is from outside the political class; which he is - his role was always to fund politicians in exchange for their help with his money-making activities. As long as he stayed within that sphere and didn't do anything too mad, he could do as he liked - which is why the Clintons (and the rest, for example Romney) were so happy to have him at their parties, or endorsing them, even though at the same time he was allegedly committing these assaults.

 

[dholliday]

This nonsense about him being from outside the establishment is one of the things that amazes me most. How has He managed to convince people of that. Yes, he is not an established politician but he is very much part of the business/banking/commercial establishment. He is certainly not anti-establishment.

Yes and no.

Yes, he's the establishment in terms of business/banking/commercial/estate etc. He has been the establishment name of the last 30 years, you see references of him in that respect from popular culture in the 80's & 90's.

No, he's not part of contemporary political establishment. What this even means is open to debate, but people instinctively feel that regardless of whether a Bush, Obama or Clinton gets in, bad things won't change (the deficit, job worries, gun deaths, foreign wars). From this vantage point Trump has covered at least two of those bases: reducing the deficit by returning manufacture to US, and doing a deal with Russia so US can reduce their role in the Middle East.

 

[Caolam]

It is, but there is abundant evidence that they are not doing that and that haven't been doing it for years.

The Republicans and Trump were,aware of his past, it was for them to release information. I think if you try to bury issues for your advantage then I don't care who exposes you or why. The press is not standing for the most powerful office in the world.

 

[tsubaki]

I couldn't agree with you more, they choose their time to release the news but the Republicans and Trump had an opportunity to put things like this in the public domain, they didn't. They choose to hide it and hope it doesn't come out. In seems somewhat disingenuous to complain that papers use information to their best advantage when you have been trying to bury inform to your best advantage.
Seems to me there are arguing about degrees of dishonesty.

That assumes that these allegations are true, though. Plus you have the odd state of affairs whereby these women's stories are paraded on the media, whilst Trump's demonstrable links to a nonce receive far less coverage. Why would a free press not take a good look at that?

 

[N.S.N.O.]

It is for the Party and the candidate to sort out the skeletons which may fall out of the cupboard not the press. I probably have As low opinion as anyone in regard to the gutter press but this is them doing their job. They may have a motive in choosing their moment but the point of a free press is to expose wrong doing in those who seek public office.

I completely agree they should expose wrong doings in those seeking public office......it's just sad that the media knew about this for so long, but decided to keep it quiet for so long to make the most money from it....particularly when the issue in question is sexual abuse, it leaves a sour taste....

 

[Caolam]

Yes and no.

Yes, he's the establishment in terms of business/banking/commercial/estate etc. He has been the establishment name of the last 30 years, you see references of him in that respect from popular culture in the 80's & 90's.

No, he's not part of contemporary political establishment. What this even means is open to debate, but people instinctively feel that regardless of whether a Bush, Obama or Clinton gets in, bad things won't change (the deficit, job worries, gun deaths, foreign wars). From this vantage point Trump has covered at least two of those bases: reducing the deficit by returning manufacture to US, and doing a deal with Russia so US can reduce their role in the Middle East.

Trump would cause America to become isolationist which would have a dramatically negative impact on the world as a whole. Particularly a Britian outside the EU.

 

[Caolam]

I completely agree they should expose wrong doings in those seeking public office......it's just sad that the media knew about this for so long, but decided to keep it quiet for so long to make the most money from it....particularly when the issue in question is sexual abuse, it leaves a sour taste....

It is the gutter press, it is what you expect from the gutter press. They have done the right thing for the wrong reason, it is still the right thing.

 

[Caolam]

That assumes that these allegations are true, though. Plus you have the odd state of affairs whereby these women's stories are paraded on the media, whilst Trump's demonstrable links to a nonce receive far less coverage. Why would a free press not take a good look at that?

I am not talking about the cases being brought forward by some women, they are a matter for the courts, I am talking about Trump talking about himself in regard to groping women.

 

[dholliday]

Trump would cause America to become isolationist which would have a dramatically negative impact on the world as a whole.

I don't think it would. The US ceasing its awful meddling would much improve the general atmosphere.

How many military bases do they have parked on foreign lands? How many hands have they had in regime changes across the world? How often have they acted in a country without the permission of the host state? How many innocent civilians have they killed through their bombs?

You can bring up Russia and their bombs too, but without US meddling, they'd be much less requirement for Russia's bombs (who in this case are acting with permission of the elected government of Syria).

Trump would do a deal with Russia which would be financially beneficial to the US budget, beneficial to the Superpower claims of Russia and arguably beneficial to the world generally in terms of stability.


At least, let's try it this way, for the political-establishment way sure isn't helping much.

 

[tsubaki]

I am not talking about the cases being brought forward by some women, they are a matter for the courts, I am talking about Trump talking about himself in regard to groping women.

True, though even that assumes he can remember all the dumb things he has come out with down the years.