Donald Trump for President Thread

[TheFinnFan]

This nonsense about him being from outside the establishment is one of the things that amazes me most. How has He managed to convince people of that. Yes, he is not an established politician but he is very much part of the business/banking/commercial establishment. He is certainly not anti-establishment.

lot of things that amazes people in this presidential race

 

[TheFinnFan]

forexample that amazes people that hillary clinton takes huge donations form countries that supress womens rights and treat women like dogs.

 

[tsubaki]

Trump would cause America to become isolationist which would have a dramatically negative impact on the world as a whole. Particularly a Britian outside the EU.

I doubt they would be isolationist in the traditional sense, though there would probably be a (long overdue) reassessment of what their interests actually are. For instance his remarks over NATO, which were greeted with a mixture of bemusement and horror, were actually spot on - everyone else in the organization has been able to keep their defence spending low in the knowledge that the Yanks will pick up the slack.

The current spat with the Russians is also somewhat mad, given that it is a row that the US has been drawn into because of the actions of its allies - first the EU interfering with Ukraine, and secondly the Saudi / Turkish / Qatari meddling in Syria. That one Presidential candidate is talking about something that would probably lead to war between the US and Russia should worry more people than it is.

 

[Caolam]

I don't think it would. The US ceasing its awful meddling would much improve the general atmosphere.

How many military bases do they have parked on foreign lands? How many hands have they had in regime changes across the world? How often have they acted in a country without the permission of the host state? How many innocent civilians have they killed through their bombs?

You can bring up Russia and their bombs too, but without US meddling, they'd be much less requirement for Russia's bombs (who in this case are acting with permission of the elected government of Syria).

Trump would do a deal with Russia which would be financially beneficial to the US budget, beneficial to the Superpower claims of Russia and arguably beneficial to the world generally in terms of stability.


At least, let's try it this way, for the political-establishment way sure isn't helping much.

America stopping meddling in foreign disputes would on the face of it be a good thing if Russia and,in the future China, response accordingly. There is no guarantee they would. But it is the financial impact of America pursuing an isolationist policy I was referring to.

 

[dholliday]

America stopping meddling in foreign disputes would on the face of it be a good thing if Russia and,in the future China, response accordingly. There is no guarantee they would.

They deffo would react, they'd be looking forward to capitalising on it.

But it is the financial impact of America pursuing an isolationist policy I was referring to.

aye, it'll have a huge financial impact, which is why the deal with Russia would have a considerable sweetener for the US budget (but perhaps not for certain US firms).

 

[glorydaze]

I don't think it would. The US ceasing its awful meddling would much improve the general atmosphere.

How many military bases do they have parked on foreign lands? How many hands have they had in regime changes across the world? How often have they acted in a country without the permission of the host state? How many innocent civilians have they killed through their bombs?

You can bring up Russia and their bombs too, but without US meddling, they'd be much less requirement for Russia's bombs (who in this case are acting with permission of the elected government of Syria).

Trump would do a deal with Russia which would be financially beneficial to the US budget, beneficial to the Superpower claims of Russia and arguably beneficial to the world generally in terms of stability.


At least, let's try it this way, for the political-establishment way sure isn't helping much.

Makes me smile the bit, "elected government of Syria".

 

[glorydaze]

forexample that amazes people that hillary clinton takes huge donations form countries that supress womens rights and treat women like dogs.

To the Clinton Foundation that helps children and disabled, not her political campaign.

 

[TheFinnFan]

To the Clinton Foundation that helps children and disabled, not her political campaign.

interesting stuff innit

 

[Moomin]

interesting stuff innit

I'm seriously disappointed in you, you have issues with women and you're content with Trump because of your hatred of women in power.

 

[dholliday]

Makes me smile the bit, "elected government of Syria".

aye...sounds dodgy but the result is the result:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_presidential_election,_2014

or should we, the West, consider ourselves the global judge and decide which elections were fraudulent and which weren't? And if we decide one is fraudulent, shall we bomb it while arming rebel groups to violently overthrow the winning ticket? Shall we oppose any ally of the ticket too?

How's that going?

The alternative is to leave them alone, or let other big powers have a go. Trump's way. Some left/liberal types will be voting for him based solely on that.

 

[TheFinnFan]

You've made posts suggesting nuking the middle east ffs.

i said nuke Mosul (Isis capital)

(but surely you must understand that it was just a tasteless shout/line)

 

[atrottel]

(but surely you must understand that it was just a tasteless shout/line)

So everything that you get challenged on is 'banter' then, is it?

The problem is that your apparent beliefs and your prejudices seem so extreme (to the mainstream of Europeans, which is what we mostly are here) that it is hard to tell. I know from personal experience how humour often doesn't translate in another language. Perhaps you should calm it down a bit then?

 

[glorydaze]

interesting stuff innit

That's it I'm out, you have started quoting Fox.

 

[TheFinnFan]

So everything that you get challenged on is 'banter' then, is it?

The problem is that your apparent beliefs and your prejudices seem so extreme (to the mainstream of Europeans, which is what we mostly are here) that it is hard to tell. I know from personal experience how humour often doesn't translate in another language. Perhaps you should calm it down a bit then?

yes you are right. i'll calm down. sorry everybody who have been offended. i also stop calling hillary a witch.

 

[Blue 1]

In lieu of the traditional "I Voted" stickers with the US flag, it's been decided that voters will be handed this sticker when exiting their polling place on Nov 8th: