joey_macmo
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It's not even remotely remarkable. It's common in these situations that once someone is brave enough to speak out other victims follow.
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It's not even remotely remarkable. It's common in these situations that once someone is brave enough to speak out other victims follow.
I was an astonished spectator. It was that Tor browser guff that got him banned really, I was as bewildered as anyone when he posted it. You and Moomin got his blood up, he literally can't help but reply to everything in utterly demented ways once he's in that mode.
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dholliday
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I agree with that as a general observation, just the timing of these specific revelations could not have been better for the Clinton side. Seen as they mostly all happened over a decade ago it does make the neutral observer suspect an orchestrated smear campaign.
That Trump even without these allegations is an unpleasant and incompetent candidate is probably clear for most swing voters after the live debates.
Ashtonian
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two things
Is adversus a bit stupid? He has been here for a long time and no-one really noticed, then all of a sudden a slight mention of him and he is throwing out proof that it is him left right and centre, i'm sorry but you can't be that stupid!
Second of all. If you want a good run down of trump in the election check out south park. they have recreated it brilliantly, and seem to be animating it on a weekly basis which is fantastic achievement for them in the world of TV to keep the show relevant to the news now. But yeah, check them out, kept track of essentially what trump has been doing and put a humorous twist on it.
Is adversus a bit stupid? He has been here for a long time and no-one really noticed, then all of a sudden a slight mention of him and he is throwing out proof that it is him left right and centre, i'm sorry but you can't be that stupid!
Second of all. If you want a good run down of trump in the election check out south park. they have recreated it brilliantly, and seem to be animating it on a weekly basis which is fantastic achievement for them in the world of TV to keep the show relevant to the news now. But yeah, check them out, kept track of essentially what trump has been doing and put a humorous twist on it.
dholliday
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interesting article which mostly mirrors my views (shame about the identity politics but it's unavoidable in the mainstream papers):
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As a Muslim American, I will vote my conscience this November. By abstaining
Clinton’s complicity in entrenching and upholding drone wars is one of the reasons I cannot support her. And Donald Trump is out of the question.
I am an American Muslim with one vote, and no person for whom to cast it. I became a citizen less than a year ago. This is my first election and yet, I won’t be joining the millions of other Americans going to the polls.
How could I squander such privilege, particularly when so many Muslim women in the world never get to vote? Voting my conscience – by abstaining - is a painful decision. Friends are astonished by my dilemma. Yet Clinton, for some Muslims, remains a problematic choice, and one I am not able to embrace.
Clinton’s complicity in entrenching and upholding the United States in drone wars troubles me most. During his eight years of his administration, President Barack Obama has authorized and legitimized drone operations to an unprecedented degree, overshadowing any operations under President George W Bush. Clinton was secretary of state for four years during that time, and she was twice elected senator to New York before that, vocally supporting drones.
Never once did Clinton take action against drone wars, nor vocalize dissent or distaste. Rather, she remains a staunch supporter of the drone program downplaying the civilian loss of life.
Acquiescence to America’s institutionalization of drone warfare unleashed on the largely Muslim-majority lands of Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, Libya and Afghanistan may be the most heinous feature of American foreign policy today. To most Americans, drone wars are popular, of little concern, and save our troops from engagement. For me, drone wars are personal.
I am of Pakistani heritage. When I visited Pakistan in 2012 on a trip to the North-west Frontier as an invited physician-observer, drone warfare became a palpable reality. I was in Malakand in the Swat valley of Pakistan to meet child jihadists being deradicalized at Sabaoon, a multidisciplinary school where children, from ages 10 to 20 years old, convicted of acts of terrorism are rehabilitated.
On the long ride back to Lahore, we decided to break the journey in Peshawar and take tea with Professor Khalid Mufti, a consultant psychiatrist working for the Horizon NGO at Ibadat hospital in Nishtarabad.
After tea, he asked me to see his patients. I was puzzled by the silence in every room. It was the middle of the day, but all the patients were in bed. Visiting families were gathered in somber clusters on each bed. We saw almost 80 patients.
“These are all patients with psychiatric disorders from drone attacks. Most have seen attacks or lost family members in attacks. Some are terrorized by the sound of the drones. Many are diagnosed with conversion disorder – a somatization of anxiety. Others have PTSD,” Mufti said.
I am familiar with these diseases as I treat 9/11 first responders in New York with PTSD and anxiety, among other disorders. Still, I was immobilized by one thought: all that these Pakistanis knew of the United States was the sound of Reapers and Predators and the lethal violence in their wake.
If Americans elect Trump on 8 November, it is unlikely that he could undo drone wars without extraordinary effort. With both the military and Congress in favor of and competing to control drone operations, Trump would have been impotent in making changes, even if he was to develop ideological objections.
Trump’s legitimacy as a presidential nominee falls far from Clinton’s candidacy. I can never vote for him. That he reached the position of Republican nominee is a singular disgrace for which the Republican party must be held fully responsible. But putting aside Trump’s gross inadequacies, and revolting indecencies, Clinton’s positions on drone warfare to me are equally obscene.
I waited almost 25 years to become a citizen of the United States. I was just as thrilled to register as an Independent. But it turned out this November I can vote only with my conscience.
A vote for Gary Johnson would endorse a candidate who cannot identify Aleppo or a foreign leader. A vote for Jill Stein empowers an admirer of Vladimir Putin who would assert US power to maintain Assad in Syria.
A vote for Trump (irrespective of Mike Pence’s hollow denials) would legitimize the demonization of Muslims like me.
A vote for Clinton, though, would be a vote in support of sophisticated drone operations, among other things. As anthropologist Hugh Gusterson starkly describes, this would ensure the increasing militarization of US-Muslim relations to continue without protest.
Even as the groundswell to enlist the Muslim vote deepens, I find I am compelled to sit this election out. When it came to this presidential election, though America grants me both suffrage and safe harbor, my American Muslim ballot has nowhere to land.
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As a Muslim American, I will vote my conscience this November. By abstaining
Clinton’s complicity in entrenching and upholding drone wars is one of the reasons I cannot support her. And Donald Trump is out of the question.
I am an American Muslim with one vote, and no person for whom to cast it. I became a citizen less than a year ago. This is my first election and yet, I won’t be joining the millions of other Americans going to the polls.
How could I squander such privilege, particularly when so many Muslim women in the world never get to vote? Voting my conscience – by abstaining - is a painful decision. Friends are astonished by my dilemma. Yet Clinton, for some Muslims, remains a problematic choice, and one I am not able to embrace.
Clinton’s complicity in entrenching and upholding the United States in drone wars troubles me most. During his eight years of his administration, President Barack Obama has authorized and legitimized drone operations to an unprecedented degree, overshadowing any operations under President George W Bush. Clinton was secretary of state for four years during that time, and she was twice elected senator to New York before that, vocally supporting drones.
Never once did Clinton take action against drone wars, nor vocalize dissent or distaste. Rather, she remains a staunch supporter of the drone program downplaying the civilian loss of life.
Acquiescence to America’s institutionalization of drone warfare unleashed on the largely Muslim-majority lands of Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, Libya and Afghanistan may be the most heinous feature of American foreign policy today. To most Americans, drone wars are popular, of little concern, and save our troops from engagement. For me, drone wars are personal.
I am of Pakistani heritage. When I visited Pakistan in 2012 on a trip to the North-west Frontier as an invited physician-observer, drone warfare became a palpable reality. I was in Malakand in the Swat valley of Pakistan to meet child jihadists being deradicalized at Sabaoon, a multidisciplinary school where children, from ages 10 to 20 years old, convicted of acts of terrorism are rehabilitated.
On the long ride back to Lahore, we decided to break the journey in Peshawar and take tea with Professor Khalid Mufti, a consultant psychiatrist working for the Horizon NGO at Ibadat hospital in Nishtarabad.
After tea, he asked me to see his patients. I was puzzled by the silence in every room. It was the middle of the day, but all the patients were in bed. Visiting families were gathered in somber clusters on each bed. We saw almost 80 patients.
“These are all patients with psychiatric disorders from drone attacks. Most have seen attacks or lost family members in attacks. Some are terrorized by the sound of the drones. Many are diagnosed with conversion disorder – a somatization of anxiety. Others have PTSD,” Mufti said.
I am familiar with these diseases as I treat 9/11 first responders in New York with PTSD and anxiety, among other disorders. Still, I was immobilized by one thought: all that these Pakistanis knew of the United States was the sound of Reapers and Predators and the lethal violence in their wake.
If Americans elect Trump on 8 November, it is unlikely that he could undo drone wars without extraordinary effort. With both the military and Congress in favor of and competing to control drone operations, Trump would have been impotent in making changes, even if he was to develop ideological objections.
Trump’s legitimacy as a presidential nominee falls far from Clinton’s candidacy. I can never vote for him. That he reached the position of Republican nominee is a singular disgrace for which the Republican party must be held fully responsible. But putting aside Trump’s gross inadequacies, and revolting indecencies, Clinton’s positions on drone warfare to me are equally obscene.
I waited almost 25 years to become a citizen of the United States. I was just as thrilled to register as an Independent. But it turned out this November I can vote only with my conscience.
A vote for Gary Johnson would endorse a candidate who cannot identify Aleppo or a foreign leader. A vote for Jill Stein empowers an admirer of Vladimir Putin who would assert US power to maintain Assad in Syria.
A vote for Trump (irrespective of Mike Pence’s hollow denials) would legitimize the demonization of Muslims like me.
A vote for Clinton, though, would be a vote in support of sophisticated drone operations, among other things. As anthropologist Hugh Gusterson starkly describes, this would ensure the increasing militarization of US-Muslim relations to continue without protest.
Even as the groundswell to enlist the Muslim vote deepens, I find I am compelled to sit this election out. When it came to this presidential election, though America grants me both suffrage and safe harbor, my American Muslim ballot has nowhere to land.
Yup, I'm going third party. I live in a state that is very uncompetitive anyway
longers
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The strangest thing about that video of him praising the clintons is that he actually sounds sincere in it and thus considerably more believable whereas when you hear him ranting about them now it doesn't sound anywhere near as convincing or sincere, seems almost purposely over the top and faked.
He also seems more coherent. Does make you wonder...
He also seems more coherent. Does make you wonder...
He's an utter dement. I like to think I have a fairly high threshold for annoying posters (pretty sure I'm one of them), I'm even fond of Damo. But Adversus has to be one of the greatest smh-merchants going
As much as I may personally like or prefer this moderate approach to politics, it has no place on an internet forum.
The hair?
that, and after you donate to NPR, the fundraising campaign quits...
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