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Donald Trump for President Thread

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Hmm...me thinks not...

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Nope. trump is spectacularly worse in terms of lying.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...lie-year-donald-trump-campaign-misstatements/

They monitor all the statements from all candidates and then check them for truthfulness. The site has also won a pulitzer prize before you try and dismiss it as some terrible source.

The man is a fraud and a pathological liar.
 
Yeah I saw your comment @kithnou and I would agree with it to an extent...I just am curious though, is it just a case of 'doing something' that has galvanised his support or some specific policy that has appealed?
He's telling them what they want to hear, and they believe he may actually try and implement some of what he says, whereas the others, who are all politicians, are all just lying anyway to get their spiffy jobs.
He is leading an anti-establishment movement which the people are desperately seeking.
 
The question is then not 'why are people voting for Trump'...it's 'why are they not voting for his rivals'?

He's obviously tapped into something that resonates with a lot of Americans.

yeah and that's the scary thing. People who are unhappy usually need something to be angry at. He can channel their energy into being angry at Mexicans and afro americans and the unemployed whilst pocketing and distributing all the wealth amongst those backing him. The funny thing is the ones cheering him the loudest are the ones being most taken advantage of.
 

People who are unhappy usually need something to be angry at.

Here in the UK our media coverage of the campaign often includes a journalist asking Americans why they want to vote Trump, and your quote above has covered every response I have seen. The main fear and source of anger seems to be Mexico, both immigrants from and loss of jobs to.

I know Trump claims he will build a wall with Mexico, but what could he actually do about losing jobs to a country with lower wages? Surely bringing those jobs 'home' would result in the products costing more, and therefore result in higher living costs for Americans?
 
he may actually try and implement some of what he says
So far his only concrete proposals are:
Build a wall - this won't stop illegal immigration.
Deport 11 million undocumented. - clearly pandering as this is impossible with out going full dictator.
Ban 1.5 billion muslims from entering - Yet more impossible pandering.
Erase state lines for health insurance companies - this would create massive ins. companies, almost certainly causing costs to sky rocket.
And absolutely everything else is covered by vaguely alluding to 'deals'.

So, even if you ignore his racist, misogynist, xenophobic bloviating,
If you ignore his continuous incitements to violence,
If you ignore his pathological lying,
He has absolutely no substance.

But hey, he has words, he has the best words.
 
So far his only concrete proposals are:
Build a wall - this won't stop illegal immigration.

It won't stop it, but it will make it considerably more difficult. It would probably be a more successful measure than anything anyone else is proposing though.

Deport 11 million undocumented. - clearly pandering as this is impossible with out going full dictator.

True, though I would imagine he will announce some kind of process by which those "undocumented" could be legalized - immediate registration, no criminal record etc etc - during the campaign, if he wins the nomination.

Ban 1.5 billion muslims from entering - Yet more impossible pandering.

Not really, its impossible only because it would never get past Congress. They do however already operate a fairly savage no fly list / difficult visa system for Muslims anyway (as that family wanting to go to Disneyland found), so its a bit much to suggest he is that far outside of the ballpark on this one.

Erase state lines for health insurance companies - this would create massive ins. companies, almost certainly causing costs to sky rocket.

Not sure that it would tbh, at least not in the medium term (I suppose increased costs would probably follow as the market shrunk and monopolies emerged in the same way that they have in the rest of the healthcare sector). As an aside, he is probably the only Republican candidate in years to praise the NHS.

And absolutely everything else is covered by vaguely alluding to 'deals'.

True, though whether that is any worse than Ted Cruz's absolutism is questionable.

So, even if you ignore his racist, misogynist, xenophobic bloviating,
If you ignore his continuous incitements to violence,
If you ignore his pathological lying,
He has absolutely no substance.

But hey, he has words, he has the best words.

This is why I think he will probably win - not because you are right or wrong, but because criticizing him along those lines will only ever benefit him because it suggests the wide gulf between him and "the establishment". Calling a politician a pathological liar is akin to calling him a politician, people accept it - indeed its probably the case that people respect absolute fibbers more (given how many get elected compared to less whopperish candidates - see Cameron, Bibi, Sarkozy, Bush II, Blair etc).

Or take him being a racist, for instance - which is largely based around his statements on illegal immigration, the wall and "the sort of people that Mexico send" (or however he put it). Now, criticizing him for this would be a lot more valid if those dealing with the criticism recognized that much of the trade in illegal migration is in the hands of some utterly vile gangs (who have form for murdering dozens of people at a time), that migration in this way is emphatically not how migration should happen (or has happened in the past, especially compared to the boom years of the 19th and early 20th centuries), that there is very little to be gained for anyone by having a large underclass of undocumented and socially/economically vulnerable migrants in the country, and that no other measure taken or proposed by anyone else has had any real effect on dealing with it. There are very real issues here that need to be tackled.

Instead, the commentariat over there just jump up and down and call him a racist - which might appeal to a certain sort and make them feel better at dinner parties, but when the issue of illegals is on TV news and the wider media (and presented as a problem) every single day, usually followed by "nothing is being done about it" (by the establishment), its perhaps not a surprise that he gains support - even among Hispanic voters - as a result (edit) of suggesting something tangible should be done about it.

I should point out that I do not want Trump to win - I would vote for Bernie - but watching the way this is being handled reminds me a lot of the doomed way in which Livingston tried to take on Boris twice.
 
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Calling him a racist is based on a lot more than his views on immigration.
His companies have been sued several times for refusing to rent to black people. His views on the central park five were pretty deplorable.
The media may be reacting badly but this is unprecedented.
 
Calling him a racist is based on a lot more than his views on immigration.
His companies have been sued several times for refusing to rent to black people. His views on the central park five were pretty deplorable.
The media may be reacting badly but this is unprecedented.

In terms of doing deplorable things around that Central Park horror, he is some way down the list of worst offenders - the cops and the prosecutors who got it wrong, the defence attorneys who went after the victim, the system that means she has been denied justice even now that they know who did it etc.

Even in terms of people who used it to push their own angle, he was not the worst (that honour going to the people who claimed that it didn't happen).
 

In terms of doing deplorable things around that Central Park horror, he is some way down the list of worst offenders - the cops and the prosecutors who got it wrong, the defence attorneys who went after the victim, the system that means she has been denied justice even now that they know who did it etc.

Even in terms of people who used it to push their own angle, he was not the worst (that honour going to the people who claimed that it didn't happen).

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...k-five-donald-trump-jogger-rape-case-new-york

I'd say he is pretty high up the list myself. Placing adverts in national papers calling for them to be executed before the trial had even started? He is a total low life.
 
In terms of doing deplorable things around that Central Park horror, he is some way down the list of worst offenders - the cops and the prosecutors who got it wrong, the defence attorneys who went after the victim, the system that means she has been denied justice even now that they know who did it etc.

Even in terms of people who used it to push their own angle, he was not the worst (that honour going to the people who claimed that it didn't happen).

yeah but none of them are running for the highest office in the land
 

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