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Drenthe ..sacked ?

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little curly alan ball said:
AN ILL KEEP GOING BACK TO ; HE WASNT OUR PLayer ...!!! WE DIDNT KNOW HIM !!!

Agents , Others saying ; Hes BOSS , HELL COME GOOD .. WE WERE FEARING , an YOUS WERE SAYING ; Relegation !!!

WE , meanwhile ; HD FUK ALL , AN YOU Sir - with resoect , wrote REAMS on the subject , along with others , admittedly ..

DK , for you to be ; Quelle Surprise , now is CHOICE, My Mate ...

CHOICE , as Me Arl Nanna woulda said ...

Hes GONE ..

MOVE ON ...

Therel be other sticks to beat them with Braaaaaaaaaaa ...
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But apparantly we did know him by Christmas...by all accounts we knew he was negotiating with Liverpool and taking the piss in training. The fact he's not contracted to us makes it EASIER not more difficult to get him to fcuk out of it. At that stage a decision to take the hit on the loan fee should ahve been made - it looks like it was an error to employ him from what's been revealed, so why compound that error by letting the situation drag on with the carnage you've described? Does not make sense mate...not if you're trying to make the case that the manager acted in the right way anyway.

As for what I wrote at the time about our place in the league: I'm sorry mate, but if you care to look you'll see I was relaxed about it and saying we'll finish top ten and no chance of relegation...so there's no re-writing of history on my part.

I'm done with Drenthe, tbh. He isn't even the issue. The issues are:

1) the conduct of the manager in all this and his ability now to hold the line in future after this affair has driven a coach and horses through his credibility.

2) the way the iron curtain drops down on the affair from the club and the fact it's all being pained as black and white when in reality it's a murky grey in which no one comes out smelling of roses.
 
nsno-chris said:
Dave you're clutching at straws mate; even if he played and didn't get jibbed off it doesn't mean we'd be celebrating a trip back to the Big Smoke, there where 16 other players in that squad on Saturday

The Drenthe situation DID NOT affect the players on the pitch, because once we went 1 up we controlled the remainder of the 1st half and we just got out muscled in the 2nd half. Its football, **** happens dude. You're trying to pin point this on Moyes, the only thing you should be accusing Moyes of is not firing his players up for the 2nd half.

Drenthe is an enigma; he blows out and cold. Blues love him coz he's a nut job and he was something different (a fast paced winger with a fierce shot) when in reality he's a small, stocky, black Peter Beagrie who runs into defenders more times then he goes past them. Yes he has goals and assists, but he's also cost us games and points.
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No mate, I'm not forgetting those errors. You're right, there's more substantial reasons we ended up losing than not having Drenthe to turn to off the bench. As I replied to LCAB though, the situation has mutated from a selection issue for one match to this more important club governance issue. It's just wriong to portray what happened as a one-sided affair. That situation got out of control through weakness and desperation to continue to use a player who had apparently no right to be anywhere near the club anymore.
 
davek said:
But apparantly we did know him by Christmas...by all accounts we knew he was negotiating with Liverpool and taking the piss in training. The fact he's not contracted to us makes it EASIER not more difficult to get him to fcuk out of it. At that stage a decision to take the hit on the loan fee should ahve been made - it looks like it was an error to employ him from what's been revealed, so why compound that error by letting the situation drag on with the carnage you've described? Does not make sense mate...not if you're trying to make the case that the manager acted in the right way anyway.

As for what I wrote at the time about our place in the league: I'm sorry mate, but if you care to look you'll see I was relaxed about it and saying we'll finish top ten and no chance of relegation...so there's no re-writing of history on my part.

I'm done with Drenthe, tbh. He isn't even the issue. The issues are:

1) the conduct of the manager in all this and his ability now to hold the line in future after this affair has driven a coach and horses through his credibility.

2) the way the iron curtain drops down on the affair from the club and the fact it's all being pained as black and white when in reality it's a murky grey in which no one comes out smelling of roses.
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No , see ..

IT WAS INCREMENTAL .... BIT BY BIT ..

OK ; Just on he RS ..

IF Ginge hadve came out on say , Dec 12 ... Wer bottom 5-6 ..

He goes ; our Real Madrid On Loan is negotiating with the RS - AS IS HIS LEGAL RIGHT ; So I BINNED HIM ..

Koff , Ginge , FFS ...

LIKE THAT ..

YOU - ONCE MORE ; KNOW THIS THO ...


Listen, Ive got a Hossy thing soon , so I gots to scarper in a bit ...
 
little curly alan ball said:
No , see ..

IT WAS INCREMENTAL .... BIT BY BIT ..

OK ; Just on he RS ..

IF Ginge hadve came out on say , Dec 12 ... Wer bottom 5-6 ..

He goes ; our Real Madrid On Loan is negotiating with the RS - AS IS HIS LEGAL RIGHT ; So I BINNED HIM ..

Koff , Ginge , FFS ...

LIKE THAT ..

YOU - ONCE MORE ; KNOW THIS THO ...


Listen, Ive got a Hossy thing soon , so I gots to scarper in a bit ...
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PS ; He WAS NOT the ONLY EFC Player they tried to #Ahem .. APPROACH ...

Says MORE about The HS than Moyles , for me like
 

little curly alan ball said:
No , see ..

IT WAS INCREMENTAL .... BIT BY BIT ..

OK ; Just on he RS ..

IF Ginge hadve came out on say , Dec 12 ... Wer bottom 5-6 ..

He goes ; our Real Madrid On Loan is negotiating with the RS - AS IS HIS LEGAL RIGHT ; So I BINNED HIM ..

Koff , Ginge , FFS ...

LIKE THAT ..

YOU - ONCE MORE ; KNOW THIS THO ...


Listen, Ive got a Hossy thing soon , so I gots to scarper in a bit ...
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Never in a million years mate. The reaction would have been a queue of people standing behind Moyes to give Drenthe a kick up the arse and get him back to Madrid...or Anfield.

Good luck at the ozzie mate.
 
I would love to say I never want to see him in a Blue shirt again.

But I can't, I effin love Rapping Royston for all his flaws.
 
davek said:
Never in a million years mate. The reaction would have been a queue of people standing behind Moyes to give Drenthe a kick up the arse and get him back to Madrid...or Anfield.

Good luck at the ozzie mate.
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Back then? Absolutely no way.
 
davek said:
Never in a million years mate. The reaction would have been a queue of people standing behind Moyes to give Drenthe a kick up the arse and get him back to Madrid...or Anfield.

Good luck at the ozzie mate.
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Fair enough .

I disagree tbh , an believe Threads of the period would back me , but , Ho-Hum ..

Cheers , Comerada Mia
 

Can Moyes win here?
He doesn't play him it's wrong cos he should have binned him after the semi not before.
He gives him chances and he has no principles cos he should have been binned straight away.
No win methinks
 
little curly alan ball said:
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Its NOT ABOUT WHY , ITS ABOUT WHEN ...

ANY OTHER Season hedve been out by Chrimbo an' no-one woulda said a BEEP , btw ..

...

As for The Enemy bit ; WHAT TF COULD WE DO???

HES ON LOAN , Brother ...
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This is the problem for me. You can't say 'oh, i would have sacked him ages ago but we needed him', put up with his shenanigans all season, then day before the semi go 'oh no, he's been a naughty boy, i'm sacking him'. What, we didn't need him then? Either you do the right thing and discipline him according to his misdemeanours, or you make the decision not to and stick by it. Moyes did neither.

little curly alan ball said:
As for Barklay ; HE WASNT READY , Mucka ..

Honestly . Not this year ..

Not Vs Wolves , Stoke etc - AN THATS WHEN WE NEEDED HIM , Pre Xmas ..

#FACTOUM
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Easy Damon :p He was ready for QPR...

davek said:
But that's just it mate...that's why principles are called principles; because you stick with them come hell or high water. He didn't do that in this case and it's an obvious dent to credibility. Are we really saying that our manager stuck with Drenthe to help pull us (and him) out of the pre-Christmas doldrums...that he'd swallow the pride of the club to allow a player negotiating with Liverpool and taking the piss on training to continue on, no problermo, beacuse we were 13th rather than a few spots up the table?

That cant be justified on any grounds as far as I'm concerned.

I keep going back to the three words: Consistency...Timing...Judgement.

If you think the manager has done him justice on any of those three in this case, then good luck to you.
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davek said:
But apparantly we did know him by Christmas...by all accounts we knew he was negotiating with Liverpool and taking the piss in training. The fact he's not contracted to us makes it EASIER not more difficult to get him to fcuk out of it. At that stage a decision to take the hit on the loan fee should ahve been made - it looks like it was an error to employ him from what's been revealed, so why compound that error by letting the situation drag on with the carnage you've described? Does not make sense mate...not if you're trying to make the case that the manager acted in the right way anyway.

As for what I wrote at the time about our place in the league: I'm sorry mate, but if you care to look you'll see I was relaxed about it and saying we'll finish top ten and no chance of relegation...so there's no re-writing of history on my part.

I'm done with Drenthe, tbh. He isn't even the issue. The issues are:

1) the conduct of the manager in all this and his ability now to hold the line in future after this affair has driven a coach and horses through his credibility.

2) the way the iron curtain drops down on the affair from the club and the fact it's all being pained as black and white when in reality it's a murky grey in which no one comes out smelling of roses.
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I concur.

chrismanduk said:
Can Moyes win here?
He doesn't play him it's wrong cos he should have binned him after the semi not before.
He gives him chances and he has no principles cos he should have been binned straight away.
No win methinks
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According to reports this has been going on long enough that Priciples were long out the window. Moyes made his bed, now he has to lie in it.

The only way I can see it that Moyes has any cred in this is if he made it quite clear from the start, or certainly long enough ago, that RR had a certain number of chances, and he was counting them down. In that case it becomes less a case of principles and more a case of lack of foresight and planning.

Btw, I'm not absolving RR of any blame in this, i'm mearly considering how the situation has been handled.
 

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