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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 2

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Diogenes the Cynic said:
Big fan of your posts usually but calling someone a mongrel doesn't have to have anti-Jewish connotations. In fact I'd never heard of it until your post and i doubt i will again.

Alf off Home and Away called people flamin mongrels all the time. I refuse to live in a world where angry Antipodeans can't vent their fury appropriately.
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Thanks buddy. We will have to agree to disagree which is fair enough.

All I would say though, is the lad makes himself out as some big principled political figure, but when he was presented with something which might challenge his politics he bottled out of dealing with it.

I can understand that people don't necessarily know the context of the word. Thats fair enough. I can even forgive people who profess to be socialists (and who lecture others on conduct). However if something is explained to you, to dismiss it out of hand as he did, and hide away from the person by blocking them is really poor conduct.
 
Good win for City tonight.

Auger gets a full 2 weeks rest. More miles in the legs for De Bruyne and Fernandino. No minutes for Sterling, both the Silva's and Stones. Essentially all their key men getting nicely rested up. I think they may end up steamrolling both Spurs and United at this rate. Liverpool better not slip up against Southampton or it's title done.
 
catcherintherye said:
Good win for City tonight.

Auger gets a full 2 weeks rest. More miles in the legs for De Bruyne and Fernandino. No minutes for Sterling, both the Silva's and Stones. Essentially all their key men getting nicely rested up. I think they may end up steamrolling both Spurs and United at this rate. Liverpool better not slip up against Southampton or it's title done.
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City will do well to win all three of United away Palace away and Spurs at home. We need Liverpool to drop points. Hopefully it’s at Southampton because I can’t see too many other problems for them on the run in.
 
Saint Domingo said:
City will do well to win all three of United away Palace away and Spurs at home. We need Liverpool to drop points. Hopefully it’s at Southampton because I can’t see too many other problems for them on the run in.
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Palace looked pretty abject tonight, Spurs are very poor away and I think United are falling off a cliff.

Meanwhile Chelsea seem to be finding some form for me (and have an excellent record at Anfield) as do Wolves who will want to finish the season off well (and are very strong against the top 6). Heck I even think Newcastle will prove challenging.

I see just as many banana skins for City and Liverpool, but City are the by far superior team when they are all fit and playing (which they haven't been enough this season).
 
Think the difference we see tonight is city can makes 7 changes and not look in trouble. The other lot don't have strength in depth to risk so many changes against lower opposition. However they still have an easier run in. I feel the next 2 weeks could decide the league. Lets hope Soton and Chelsea put a shift in as both are capable of taking points.
 

catcherintherye said:
Thanks buddy. We will have to agree to disagree which is fair enough.

All I would say though, is the lad makes himself out as some big principled political figure, but when he was presented with something which might challenge his politics he bottled out of dealing with it.

I can understand that people don't necessarily know the context of the word. Thats fair enough. I can even forgive people who profess to be socialists (and who lecture others on conduct). However if something is explained to you, to dismiss it out of hand as he did, and hide away from the person by blocking them is really poor conduct.
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Fair play and completely understand your point of view.

From a personal standpoint the term mongrel has always been associated fondly with Australian soap opera. The Jewish mates i have been out on the ale with tonight (admittedly a poor survey of one) had never heard of the term in that context either.

I make no bones about it. I love saying flaming mongrel. Well i hadn't said it for several years but now my love is rekindled.

I guess it's all about motive. I profess myself ignorant about that term in that context but if it was offensive to people I'd shrug my shoulders and move on. If people use a term in knowledge and with intention to cause distress or offence to someone then i feel bad for them and hope they can become more kind.
 

Diogenes the Cynic said:
Fair play and completely understand your point of view.

From a personal standpoint the term mongrel has always been associated fondly with Australian soap opera. The Jewish mates i have been out on the ale with tonight (admittedly a poor survey of one) had never heard of the term in that context either.

I make no bones about it. I love saying flaming mongrel. Well i hadn't said it for several years but now my love is rekindled.

I guess it's all about motive. I profess myself ignorant about that term in that context but if it was offensive to people I'd shrug my shoulders and move on. If people use a term in knowledge and with intention to cause distress or offence to someone then i feel bad for them and hope they can become more kind.
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I think you are correct in the context. My position is not that all Kopites are Nazi sympathisers (in spite of how they caricature what is said).

The context you seem to be using it in is a very generalised manner and as such is essentially meaningless.

However when it is directed at another particular group of humans (as they are increasingly doing towards Evertonians) it takes on a different context to me. It's saying a whole category of people are inferior to the "thoroughbreds" (which I presume in their heads are themselves) though of course they are about as close to Nietzsche's "Übermensch" are the likes of Ernst Rohm, Goebells and Hitler were to being a higher human specimen. It's a nonsense but it easily leads to a slide towards biological determinism (which is of course the key differentiator between mongrels and pedigree).

Whenever you try to have this discussion with them it just tends to lead to further abuse, people mischaracterising what you are saying, Nazi apologism (some disgracefully saying the Nazi's never actually practiced these ideas) or in some cases them using the phrase an awful lot more often (particularly when they realise the in laws Jewish background, which seems rather odd).

Either way, the lad tweeting ought to do better than blocking people highlighting it while generally relishing the ability to wind people up. They seem to have developed a particular love of Geordies recently too on the back of them singing "feed the scousers" all game and then using misogynstic language in public. I wonder what has led to them suddenly finding such an admiration for Newcastle fans?
 

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