Ferdinand is one of the best CBs of the last 3 or 4 decades. Not sure how anyone could say otherwise. Average? Really? That certain RS player you mention ripping him, I though Vidic was the one he did, almost certain. Just because he failed in the so called ‘golden generation’ shouldn’t alter that. I’d also put Terry as one of the best in that same period, different type of player, a horrible man but a brilliant defender. If any of these played for us, your view would be so different. You shouldn’t let opinions of a player be determined by the teams they played for.
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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 2
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Ferdinand is one of the best CBs of the last 3 or 4 decades. Not sure how anyone could say otherwise. Average? Really? That certain RS player you mention ripping him, I though Vidic was the one he did, almost certain. Just because he failed in the so called ‘golden generation’ shouldn’t alter that. I’d also put Terry as one of the best in that same period, different type of player, a horrible man but a brilliant defender. If any of these played for us, your view would be so different. You shouldn’t let opinions of a player be determined by the teams they played for.
If the England golden generation is your barometer, does that mean Lampard and Scholes aren’t 2 of the best midfielders of the Premiership era. Gary Neville wasnt one of the best RBs, Ashley Cole wasn’t one of the best LBs, Shearer wasn’t one of the best Strikers?.......... etc etc. Are all them average too?
Old Blue 2
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Duncan Edwards was a multi-positional player. One of his best positions was centre half. He was also a fine midfielder, with the capability to score as well. He really was before his time. One of the greatest tragedies in football of all time when he died following that crash...
Old Blue 2
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Do you really think that? When I saw the best three in the world destroy us at Goodison in the 1960s (Best, Law, & Charlton). I will give credit to a player whoever he plays for (unlike others on here). But whoever he played for, Ferdinand was average at best. Terry was better than him; Butcher was a better central defender than him; Hansen of the RS was way better than him, as was Kevin Ratcliffe. As central defence 'sroppers', both Mountfield & Lawrenson were better.
Sorry, I don't buy into the fable that Ferdinand was a great defender...
Old Blue 2
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Read my earlier posts. Sometimes (in fact most times), it's the sum of the parts, rather than the single individual, that make successful teams (cf Messi with Argentina at the moment, & Modric with Croatia).
I posted previously, if you had bothered to read my post, that outside of scoring, Lampard delivered little else in midfield. Much as it kills me to say it, Slippy G of the RS was every bit as much of a goalscorer as Lampard, and left him standing with regard to general midfield play, but he was played wide too many times for England to accomodate Lampard in central midfield. Slippy G bossed central midfield; Lampard didn't.
Gay Nev was a great ful back, in a team packed with players that resulted in continuous trophy-gathering. Ashley Cole was a great LB in his prime. Shearer was a great striker, of course, but his sun only shone on a trophy once, in the glorious Blackburn Rovers season. No mention of Le Tissier, who was one of the most naturally gifted players I have ever seen...
Maybe you should look at the obverse, and consider some Everton players. Adams. Langley. Great players? No, but they won a Division 1 championship medal in 1986-87. Not the individual, the sum of the parts that season being a prime example.
Don't you think that it's odd that you are the only poster who doesn't rate Ferdinand?
regardless of where he lands in the list, he is without doubt a better player than carragher
Desperate times for our city apparently resorting to this. Another wtf moment recorded in our local birdcage lining rag. I hope he cleared his throat beforehand
before offering his in depth advice to the global business community
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/business/what-jamie-carragher-said-visited-14813394
Reds legend Jamie Carragher has visited the International Business Festival - and says he wants to help Liverpool build its relationship with Shanghai.
Jamie Carragher took a tour of the festival at the Exhibition Centre Liverpool, putting on a virtual reality headset to look at Merseyrail's new trains, before meeting a delegation from Shanghai.
There he met business secretary Greg Clark, who was at the festival to announce £1.3bn in funding for British entrepreneurs and businesses.
The minister praised the Liverpool FC star for his work building links between Liverpool, the UK and Shanghai.
Carragher met Branding Shanghai president Jasmine Pang to talk about links between Liverpool and its Chinese twin city.
And he said: "We had a good getting-to-know-you meeting and so I'm hoping to go over and meet people there in the future.
"There's a link between Shanghai and this city, so it's fantastic I can do my bit to help strengthen that.
"Liverpool FC go over there for pre-season tours and I've got links with both the club and the city so, if I can help in any way, I'd be delighted."
The IBF has attracted thousands of visitors from around the world to Liverpool to do business.
Carragher said: "I've had a quick look round the festival site and it's great that it's in the city. We've had it here a few years and it's massively important to keep it in the city.
"There's people looking to invest in the city and I don't think there's a better place to do it."
before offering his in depth advice to the global business community
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/business/what-jamie-carragher-said-visited-14813394
Reds legend Jamie Carragher has visited the International Business Festival - and says he wants to help Liverpool build its relationship with Shanghai.
Jamie Carragher took a tour of the festival at the Exhibition Centre Liverpool, putting on a virtual reality headset to look at Merseyrail's new trains, before meeting a delegation from Shanghai.
There he met business secretary Greg Clark, who was at the festival to announce £1.3bn in funding for British entrepreneurs and businesses.
The minister praised the Liverpool FC star for his work building links between Liverpool, the UK and Shanghai.
Carragher met Branding Shanghai president Jasmine Pang to talk about links between Liverpool and its Chinese twin city.
And he said: "We had a good getting-to-know-you meeting and so I'm hoping to go over and meet people there in the future.
"There's a link between Shanghai and this city, so it's fantastic I can do my bit to help strengthen that.
"Liverpool FC go over there for pre-season tours and I've got links with both the club and the city so, if I can help in any way, I'd be delighted."
The IBF has attracted thousands of visitors from around the world to Liverpool to do business.
Carragher said: "I've had a quick look round the festival site and it's great that it's in the city. We've had it here a few years and it's massively important to keep it in the city.
"There's people looking to invest in the city and I don't think there's a better place to do it."
Old Blue wandering around in his pyjamas again
KaiserEFC
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I mean he was a stalwart in one of the most dominant club sides English football has ever seen, has won everything there is to win at club level and got 80 odd caps for his county but he had a bad game once so he is clearly average. Methinks someone is trying too hard to appear different.
Foot Long Hot Dog
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Ferdinand bang average?
Errrmmmm no mate, in his pomp he was an absolute Rolls Royce of a player, as a CB he had just about everything.
Yeah, take away Lampards 177 goals from midfield and he’d be average. I’ve often said that of Messi and Ronaldo too, take away their hundreds of goals and they’d be pretty average too. Bit of a silly statement to say that of a goal scorer midfielder like Lampard.
Lampard’s tally of 177 Premier League goals places him fourth on the all-time list – while he is the only midfielder to feature in the top 15. He hit double-figures for 10 straight seasons in the league, while his total 22 in 2009-10 put him only behind team-mate Didier Drogba (29) in the standings. The haul began at West Ham United and finished at Manchester City for Lampard, but 147 of those 177 strikes came during his 14-year spell with Chelsea.
He also had more assists and more goals than Slippy. Take away his 177 goals, he still had 102 assists in 607 Prem apps. More assists than Slippy. So yeah, take away his 177 goals, he did little else. Wish we had a midfielder who did nothing, but just score loads of goals.
Old Blue 2
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Better player, debateable. More effective? No. Because Carragher was a total snide of a player who got away with a hell of a lot of things (Clattenburg Derby for instance, and the number of times he clattered someone in the penalty area at home and got away with it scot free) when he took a chance, which meant he ultimately was more effective for his team than Ferdinand was for his. Can't really understand all this 'love-in' for Ferdinand to be honest...
Old Blue 2
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No surprise you holding the contrary view to me, FLHD. Not even going to try to begin to reply to the above...
Diogenes the Cynic
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If he was playing for Burnley he wouldn't have got away with it though which kinda invalidates your argument.
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