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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 2

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Kurt said:
I think they were way out of their league and Klopp is a very limited coach at the top level
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But he is excellent at the slightly-below-the-very-top level. You have to concede that.

Thankfully with City around in the domestic league and potentially Chelsea, Arsenal, Tottenham and United, there are teams with far better quality so they won't win anything in England. Plus there are decent European sides that should hold up to them so again, no joy in the trophies there.

To get the team they have winning stuff, Klopp would have to be a very top level manager. For him to win the league is akin to Ferguson getting a tune out of his last league winning squad - you really would have to be a master of your trade to get the title with what is there. It's actually possible for them, but the tactics and tiredness levels and lack of depth in the squad will do for them.

I don't know who their replacement for Klopp will be, but I think that it's a fair thing to speculate on now. He's yesterday's man. Geggenpress is nothing more than a tactical evolutionary dead end.
 
Yarrgh said:
But he is excellent at the slightly-below-the-very-top level. You have to concede that.

Thankfully with City around in the domestic league and potentially Chelsea, Arsenal, Tottenham and United, there are teams with far better quality so they won't win anything in England. Plus there are decent European sides that should hold up to them so again, no joy in the trophies there.

To get the team they have winning stuff, Klopp would have to be a very top level manager. For him to win the league is akin to Ferguson getting a tune out of his last league winning squad - you really would have to be a master of your trade to get the title with what is there. It's actually possible for them, but the tactics and tiredness levels and lack of depth in the squad will do for them.

I don't know who their replacement for Klopp will be, but I think that it's a fair thing to speculate on now. He's yesterday's man. Geggenpress is nothing more than a tactical evolutionary dead end.
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Step in the gravy swigger
 
Yarrgh said:
But he is excellent at the slightly-below-the-very-top level. You have to concede that.

Thankfully with City around in the domestic league and potentially Chelsea, Arsenal, Tottenham and United, there are teams with far better quality so they won't win anything in England. Plus there are decent European sides that should hold up to them so again, no joy in the trophies there.

To get the team they have winning stuff, Klopp would have to be a very top level manager. For him to win the league is akin to Ferguson getting a tune out of his last league winning squad - you really would have to be a master of your trade to get the title with what is there. It's actually possible for them, but the tactics and tiredness levels and lack of depth in the squad will do for them.

I don't know who their replacement for Klopp will be, but I think that it's a fair thing to speculate on now. He's yesterday's man. Geggenpress is nothing more than a tactical evolutionary dead end.
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I honestly don’t know what a new manager would do with that lot. Their midfield can’t play front foot possession football. They would have to find another manager who played counter attacking pressing like Klopp but some of their players would not be able to take season after season of hrs running and pressing. For example if they got a Zidane type in what would he do with Milner Henderson and Wijnaldum? There’s also no recognised number 9 there to score goals and the front three are only as effective as they are because of the pressing game they’ve built and entire team around. Mane Salah and Firmino have never been particularly prolific apart from last season under Klopp. I don’t know what a possession manager would do with that squad. They’d have to be very careful who they pick after Klopp because whoever it is won’t get any time from the natives whichever way Klopp departs (if he’s won stuff it will be expected to continue and any decline won’t be tolerated, if he hadn’t won stuff then the impatience level will be off the charts).
 

Saint Domingo said:
I honestly don’t know what a new manager would do with that lot. Their midfield can’t play front foot possession football. They would have to find another manager who played counter attacking pressing like Klopp but some of their players would not be able to take season after season of hrs running and pressing. For example if they got a Zidane type in what would he do with Milner Henderson and Wijnaldum? There’s also no recognised number 9 there to score goals and the front three are only as effective as they are because of the pressing game they’ve built and entire team around. Mane Salah and Firmino have never been particularly prolific apart from last season under Klopp. I don’t know what a possession manager would do with that squad. They’d have to be very careful who they pick after Klopp because whoever it is won’t get any time from the natives whichever way Klopp departs (if he’s won stuff it will be expected to continue and any decline won’t be tolerated, if he hadn’t won stuff then the impatience level will be off the charts).
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Klopps style has a short window of a couple of years once he has the right players for it to bring success, before the wear and tear on the key players kicks in, Salah, Mane, and moreso Firninho all look more like it's 40+ games into the season rather than 16-17 atm, with that "playing tired/fatigued" cones greater risk of injury, the stats at Dortmund throughout his time there showed that players very often started breaking down phyically 2-3 season's into working in his system and it tended to be a chronic case from that point on.

At Liverpool I'd say that can be escalated, as he went from day one massively heavy on his system.

Lallana who basically ked the press the same way Firninho has done last season was the first to break down and basically now at 29 looks a finished player to all intents, Wouldn't shock to see Firninho heading the same way as him this season and others too.

Chamberlain basically broke after a few months of that system, having been used to a much less intense system at Arsenal for years

At Dortmund due to Bayern being in a mess at the time and no serious other team he was able to use that period of pushing the squad to beyond breaking point to win two titles, over here he has tried and due to the depths at the top and city being untouchable, he's failed, in Germany after his team died on its feet he was still able to cement the best of the rest tag, over here he'll find them slipping out the top four and struggling to stay 6th long term.
 
Saint Domingo said:
I honestly don’t know what a new manager would do with that lot. Their midfield can’t play front foot possession football. They would have to find another manager who played counter attacking pressing like Klopp but some of their players would not be able to take season after season of hrs running and pressing. For example if they got a Zidane type in what would he do with Milner Henderson and Wijnaldum? There’s also no recognised number 9 there to score goals and the front three are only as effective as they are because of the pressing game they’ve built and entire team around. Mane Salah and Firmino have never been particularly prolific apart from last season under Klopp. I don’t know what a possession manager would do with that squad. They’d have to be very careful who they pick after Klopp because whoever it is won’t get any time from the natives whichever way Klopp departs (if he’s won stuff it will be expected to continue and any decline won’t be tolerated, if he hadn’t won stuff then the impatience level will be off the charts).
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He's done a decent job if I'm honest but, with his naive tactical awareness and belief in the unlimited capacity of the human body to run all the time, he will finish up with Liverpool trophyless. Rodgers was better imo
 
cronullasharks said:
Was for him going to Inter so the bookie made money
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So it wasn’t even a winning bet?

Curiouser and curiouser.

Who flagged it up, then?

It can’t have been the bookie.

The only explanation on that evidence is the punter flagged it up himself if he felt it was a sting on him set up by Sturridge and the bookie.
 

Khalekan said:
So it wasn’t even a winning bet?

Curiouser and curiouser.

Who flagged it up, then?

It can’t have been the bookie.

The only explanation on that evidence is the punter flagged it up himself if he felt it was a sting on him set up by Sturridge and the bookie.
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I think the bookie must've known something. You don't take 10k from a new punter on a market like that unless you know it's a losing bet.
 
Steve0 said:
I think the bookie must've known something. You don't take 10k from a new punter on a market like that unless you know it's a losing bet.
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Exactly.

So we can assume the bookie happily pocketed the cash and zipped his lip.

So who flagged the matter, I wonder.
 

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