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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 2
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Yarrgh
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World class past, present and future. No way a title would slip past them.
Saint Domingo
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Light years better than the current ‘best front three in the world’
Would sincerely hope Southampton have the exact same clause when Liverpool try to buy the other half of their team !
macmcd
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From The Times
Dejan Lovren feud with Sergio Ramos embarrassing for Liverpool
Paul Joyce, Northern Football Correspondent
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Rewind briefly to the first half of the Champions League final in Kiev last May and a defender eyes up his rival and spots an opportunity to make — or rather leave — his mark. No sooner does the opponent try to slip away than his progress is crudely halted and he is left in a heap on the turf.
This is not Sergio Ramos versus Mohamed Salah, however. This is Dejan Lovren and Cristiano Ronaldo some 30 seconds into that showpiece.
The Liverpool centre back careers into the back of the then Real Madrid talisman, claiming man and ball and bundling him into touch, unsure of the outcome. A throaty roar emanates from the red hordes dotted around the Olimpiyskiy Stadium. Ronaldo rocks onto his knees, grimaces . . . and carries on.
It is worth reminding yourself of that moment in light of Lovren’s decision to reignite the feud with Ramos over the injury which ended Salah’s participation in the final after 31 minutes and saw him depart in tears nursing a shoulder.
Lovren enjoys a close friendship with Salah and, after Croatia beat Spain last Thursday, stated on social media that he had “elbowed him good” in reference to Ramos. When asked by a Liverpool fan if that was, in effect, “for Salah”, Lovren replied with a heart emoji.
Only it was not revenge, but rather another awkward, if not embarrassing demonstration of Liverpool’s inability to move on from Ramos’s challenge on Salah.
Jürgen Klopp had responded to questions on the club’s pre-season tour in America by describing Ramos’s tussle with the Egyptian as the move of a wrestler and claiming it was ruthless and brutal. But after Lovren rather shamelessly played to the gallery, Klopp should tell his squad that the name-checking must stop. It is time to draw a line under things.
If Liverpool progress into the knockout stages of this season’s competition and draw Real Madrid again, then by all means vent any lingering frustration on the pitch. Trample Ramos and Real — legitimately, of course — underfoot. For now, no more.
There is no doubt that Salah’s premature exit heavily influenced the outcome of the game. Real played ten yards higher up the pitch, no longer fearful of someone with searing pace running in behind. Yet the crux of the matter is that Liverpool had another hour that night in which to sort out Ramos, and Zinedine Zidane’s side, and no one proved capable of stepping up.
Bragging about elbowing a player (even one who was also implicated in injuring Loris Karius before the goalkeeper’s errors in Kiev) in a Nations League game six months later does not make up for that.
Furthermore, Graeme Souness’s punch which broke the jaw of Dinamo Bucharest captain Lica Movila in an off-the-ball incident in a European Cup semi-final in 1984 has been romanticised and legitimised over time as a sign of the club standing up for itself. Liverpool’s focus is misdirected.
If the club want to cry foul about something, then it would be better served finding its voice over the allegations Manchester City have flouted Financial Fair Play rules because if skulduggery has taken place that impacts on the title race and Liverpool’s pursuit of honours.
Liverpool’s principal owner John W Henry has shown he can be outspoken when it suits. Remember his interview before the Champions League final when he (wrongly) christened La Liga “weak”.
He also said “everyone in the [Premier] League knows what the large clubs bring to the value of foreign rights” as a precursor to the big six flexing their muscle and pushing to ensure overseas TV money is no longer distributed evenly among the top-flight clubs.
Certainly, Klopp should not be the club’s spokesman on the issue and yet, because he fronts a press conference two or three times a week, he is in the firing line and the only one who has voiced an opinion publicly.
To recap, he is all for FFP and believes Uefa should punish anyone found guilty of breaching the rules. It is obvious Liverpool are unhappy. So say something. After all, there is more value in addressing the future rather than dredging up the past.
Dejan Lovren feud with Sergio Ramos embarrassing for Liverpool
Paul Joyce, Northern Football Correspondent
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Rewind briefly to the first half of the Champions League final in Kiev last May and a defender eyes up his rival and spots an opportunity to make — or rather leave — his mark. No sooner does the opponent try to slip away than his progress is crudely halted and he is left in a heap on the turf.
This is not Sergio Ramos versus Mohamed Salah, however. This is Dejan Lovren and Cristiano Ronaldo some 30 seconds into that showpiece.
The Liverpool centre back careers into the back of the then Real Madrid talisman, claiming man and ball and bundling him into touch, unsure of the outcome. A throaty roar emanates from the red hordes dotted around the Olimpiyskiy Stadium. Ronaldo rocks onto his knees, grimaces . . . and carries on.
It is worth reminding yourself of that moment in light of Lovren’s decision to reignite the feud with Ramos over the injury which ended Salah’s participation in the final after 31 minutes and saw him depart in tears nursing a shoulder.
Lovren enjoys a close friendship with Salah and, after Croatia beat Spain last Thursday, stated on social media that he had “elbowed him good” in reference to Ramos. When asked by a Liverpool fan if that was, in effect, “for Salah”, Lovren replied with a heart emoji.
Only it was not revenge, but rather another awkward, if not embarrassing demonstration of Liverpool’s inability to move on from Ramos’s challenge on Salah.
Jürgen Klopp had responded to questions on the club’s pre-season tour in America by describing Ramos’s tussle with the Egyptian as the move of a wrestler and claiming it was ruthless and brutal. But after Lovren rather shamelessly played to the gallery, Klopp should tell his squad that the name-checking must stop. It is time to draw a line under things.
If Liverpool progress into the knockout stages of this season’s competition and draw Real Madrid again, then by all means vent any lingering frustration on the pitch. Trample Ramos and Real — legitimately, of course — underfoot. For now, no more.
There is no doubt that Salah’s premature exit heavily influenced the outcome of the game. Real played ten yards higher up the pitch, no longer fearful of someone with searing pace running in behind. Yet the crux of the matter is that Liverpool had another hour that night in which to sort out Ramos, and Zinedine Zidane’s side, and no one proved capable of stepping up.
Bragging about elbowing a player (even one who was also implicated in injuring Loris Karius before the goalkeeper’s errors in Kiev) in a Nations League game six months later does not make up for that.
Furthermore, Graeme Souness’s punch which broke the jaw of Dinamo Bucharest captain Lica Movila in an off-the-ball incident in a European Cup semi-final in 1984 has been romanticised and legitimised over time as a sign of the club standing up for itself. Liverpool’s focus is misdirected.
If the club want to cry foul about something, then it would be better served finding its voice over the allegations Manchester City have flouted Financial Fair Play rules because if skulduggery has taken place that impacts on the title race and Liverpool’s pursuit of honours.
Liverpool’s principal owner John W Henry has shown he can be outspoken when it suits. Remember his interview before the Champions League final when he (wrongly) christened La Liga “weak”.
He also said “everyone in the [Premier] League knows what the large clubs bring to the value of foreign rights” as a precursor to the big six flexing their muscle and pushing to ensure overseas TV money is no longer distributed evenly among the top-flight clubs.
Certainly, Klopp should not be the club’s spokesman on the issue and yet, because he fronts a press conference two or three times a week, he is in the firing line and the only one who has voiced an opinion publicly.
To recap, he is all for FFP and believes Uefa should punish anyone found guilty of breaching the rules. It is obvious Liverpool are unhappy. So say something. After all, there is more value in addressing the future rather than dredging up the past.
canuckblue
Player Valuation: £50m
From The Times
Dejan Lovren feud with Sergio Ramos embarrassing for Liverpool
Paul Joyce, Northern Football Correspondent
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Rewind briefly to the first half of the Champions League final in Kiev last May and a defender eyes up his rival and spots an opportunity to make — or rather leave — his mark. No sooner does the opponent try to slip away than his progress is crudely halted and he is left in a heap on the turf.
This is not Sergio Ramos versus Mohamed Salah, however. This is Dejan Lovren and Cristiano Ronaldo some 30 seconds into that showpiece.
The Liverpool centre back careers into the back of the then Real Madrid talisman, claiming man and ball and bundling him into touch, unsure of the outcome. A throaty roar emanates from the red hordes dotted around the Olimpiyskiy Stadium. Ronaldo rocks onto his knees, grimaces . . . and carries on.
It is worth reminding yourself of that moment in light of Lovren’s decision to reignite the feud with Ramos over the injury which ended Salah’s participation in the final after 31 minutes and saw him depart in tears nursing a shoulder.
Lovren enjoys a close friendship with Salah and, after Croatia beat Spain last Thursday, stated on social media that he had “elbowed him good” in reference to Ramos. When asked by a Liverpool fan if that was, in effect, “for Salah”, Lovren replied with a heart emoji.
Only it was not revenge, but rather another awkward, if not embarrassing demonstration of Liverpool’s inability to move on from Ramos’s challenge on Salah.
Jürgen Klopp had responded to questions on the club’s pre-season tour in America by describing Ramos’s tussle with the Egyptian as the move of a wrestler and claiming it was ruthless and brutal. But after Lovren rather shamelessly played to the gallery, Klopp should tell his squad that the name-checking must stop. It is time to draw a line under things.
If Liverpool progress into the knockout stages of this season’s competition and draw Real Madrid again, then by all means vent any lingering frustration on the pitch. Trample Ramos and Real — legitimately, of course — underfoot. For now, no more.
There is no doubt that Salah’s premature exit heavily influenced the outcome of the game. Real played ten yards higher up the pitch, no longer fearful of someone with searing pace running in behind. Yet the crux of the matter is that Liverpool had another hour that night in which to sort out Ramos, and Zinedine Zidane’s side, and no one proved capable of stepping up.
Bragging about elbowing a player (even one who was also implicated in injuring Loris Karius before the goalkeeper’s errors in Kiev) in a Nations League game six months later does not make up for that.
Furthermore, Graeme Souness’s punch which broke the jaw of Dinamo Bucharest captain Lica Movila in an off-the-ball incident in a European Cup semi-final in 1984 has been romanticised and legitimised over time as a sign of the club standing up for itself. Liverpool’s focus is misdirected.
If the club want to cry foul about something, then it would be better served finding its voice over the allegations Manchester City have flouted Financial Fair Play rules because if skulduggery has taken place that impacts on the title race and Liverpool’s pursuit of honours.
Liverpool’s principal owner John W Henry has shown he can be outspoken when it suits. Remember his interview before the Champions League final when he (wrongly) christened La Liga “weak”.
He also said “everyone in the [Premier] League knows what the large clubs bring to the value of foreign rights” as a precursor to the big six flexing their muscle and pushing to ensure overseas TV money is no longer distributed evenly among the top-flight clubs.
Certainly, Klopp should not be the club’s spokesman on the issue and yet, because he fronts a press conference two or three times a week, he is in the firing line and the only one who has voiced an opinion publicly.
To recap, he is all for FFP and believes Uefa should punish anyone found guilty of breaching the rules. It is obvious Liverpool are unhappy. So say something. After all, there is more value in addressing the future rather than dredging up the past.
And yet Joyce conveniently omits the fact that Salah initiated the contact with his other arm, hooking Ramos and then paying the price when they fell over.
4737carlin
Player Valuation: £90m
Liverpool football club are embarrassing for the City of Liverpool
canuckblue
Player Valuation: £50m
Never a truer word spoken, my friend.
summerisle
The rain, it raineth every day
At the very least.
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
From The Times
Dejan Lovren feud with Sergio Ramos embarrassing for Liverpool
Paul Joyce, Northern Football Correspondent
Share
Save
Rewind briefly to the first half of the Champions League final in Kiev last May and a defender eyes up his rival and spots an opportunity to make — or rather leave — his mark. No sooner does the opponent try to slip away than his progress is crudely halted and he is left in a heap on the turf.
This is not Sergio Ramos versus Mohamed Salah, however. This is Dejan Lovren and Cristiano Ronaldo some 30 seconds into that showpiece.
The Liverpool centre back careers into the back of the then Real Madrid talisman, claiming man and ball and bundling him into touch, unsure of the outcome. A throaty roar emanates from the red hordes dotted around the Olimpiyskiy Stadium. Ronaldo rocks onto his knees, grimaces . . . and carries on.
It is worth reminding yourself of that moment in light of Lovren’s decision to reignite the feud with Ramos over the injury which ended Salah’s participation in the final after 31 minutes and saw him depart in tears nursing a shoulder.
Lovren enjoys a close friendship with Salah and, after Croatia beat Spain last Thursday, stated on social media that he had “elbowed him good” in reference to Ramos. When asked by a Liverpool fan if that was, in effect, “for Salah”, Lovren replied with a heart emoji.
Only it was not revenge, but rather another awkward, if not embarrassing demonstration of Liverpool’s inability to move on from Ramos’s challenge on Salah.
Jürgen Klopp had responded to questions on the club’s pre-season tour in America by describing Ramos’s tussle with the Egyptian as the move of a wrestler and claiming it was ruthless and brutal. But after Lovren rather shamelessly played to the gallery, Klopp should tell his squad that the name-checking must stop. It is time to draw a line under things.
If Liverpool progress into the knockout stages of this season’s competition and draw Real Madrid again, then by all means vent any lingering frustration on the pitch. Trample Ramos and Real — legitimately, of course — underfoot. For now, no more.
There is no doubt that Salah’s premature exit heavily influenced the outcome of the game. Real played ten yards higher up the pitch, no longer fearful of someone with searing pace running in behind. Yet the crux of the matter is that Liverpool had another hour that night in which to sort out Ramos, and Zinedine Zidane’s side, and no one proved capable of stepping up.
Bragging about elbowing a player (even one who was also implicated in injuring Loris Karius before the goalkeeper’s errors in Kiev) in a Nations League game six months later does not make up for that.
Furthermore, Graeme Souness’s punch which broke the jaw of Dinamo Bucharest captain Lica Movila in an off-the-ball incident in a European Cup semi-final in 1984 has been romanticised and legitimised over time as a sign of the club standing up for itself. Liverpool’s focus is misdirected.
If the club want to cry foul about something, then it would be better served finding its voice over the allegations Manchester City have flouted Financial Fair Play rules because if skulduggery has taken place that impacts on the title race and Liverpool’s pursuit of honours.
Liverpool’s principal owner John W Henry has shown he can be outspoken when it suits. Remember his interview before the Champions League final when he (wrongly) christened La Liga “weak”.
He also said “everyone in the [Premier] League knows what the large clubs bring to the value of foreign rights” as a precursor to the big six flexing their muscle and pushing to ensure overseas TV money is no longer distributed evenly among the top-flight clubs.
Certainly, Klopp should not be the club’s spokesman on the issue and yet, because he fronts a press conference two or three times a week, he is in the firing line and the only one who has voiced an opinion publicly.
To recap, he is all for FFP and believes Uefa should punish anyone found guilty of breaching the rules. It is obvious Liverpool are unhappy. So say something. After all, there is more value in addressing the future rather than dredging up the past.
Anyone else other than Joyce and that is P45 material.
chrismpw
Player Valuation: £70m
I can't speak for sky or bt, for they do not prey on my earnings, but the BBC is certainly not the unbiased, impartial institution it claims to be.
chrismpw
Player Valuation: £70m
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Dejan Lovren feud with Sergio Ramos embarrassing for Liverpool
Paul Joyce, Northern Football Correspondent
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Rewind briefly to the first half of the Champions League final in Kiev last May and a defender eyes up his rival and spots an opportunity to make — or rather leave — his mark. No sooner does the opponent try to slip away than his progress is crudely halted and he is left in a heap on the turf.
This is not Sergio Ramos versus Mohamed Salah, however. This is Dejan Lovren and Cristiano Ronaldo some 30 seconds into that showpiece.
The Liverpool centre back careers into the back of the then Real Madrid talisman, claiming man and ball and bundling him into touch, unsure of the outcome. A throaty roar emanates from the red hordes dotted around the Olimpiyskiy Stadium. Ronaldo rocks onto his knees, grimaces . . . and carries on.
It is worth reminding yourself of that moment in light of Lovren’s decision to reignite the feud with Ramos over the injury which ended Salah’s participation in the final after 31 minutes and saw him depart in tears nursing a shoulder.
Lovren enjoys a close friendship with Salah and, after Croatia beat Spain last Thursday, stated on social media that he had “elbowed him good” in reference to Ramos. When asked by a Liverpool fan if that was, in effect, “for Salah”, Lovren replied with a heart emoji.
Only it was not revenge, but rather another awkward, if not embarrassing demonstration of Liverpool’s inability to move on from Ramos’s challenge on Salah.
Jürgen Klopp had responded to questions on the club’s pre-season tour in America by describing Ramos’s tussle with the Egyptian as the move of a wrestler and claiming it was ruthless and brutal. But after Lovren rather shamelessly played to the gallery, Klopp should tell his squad that the name-checking must stop. It is time to draw a line under things.
If Liverpool progress into the knockout stages of this season’s competition and draw Real Madrid again, then by all means vent any lingering frustration on the pitch. Trample Ramos and Real — legitimately, of course — underfoot. For now, no more.
There is no doubt that Salah’s premature exit heavily influenced the outcome of the game. Real played ten yards higher up the pitch, no longer fearful of someone with searing pace running in behind. Yet the crux of the matter is that Liverpool had another hour that night in which to sort out Ramos, and Zinedine Zidane’s side, and no one proved capable of stepping up.
Bragging about elbowing a player (even one who was also implicated in injuring Loris Karius before the goalkeeper’s errors in Kiev) in a Nations League game six months later does not make up for that.
Furthermore, Graeme Souness’s punch which broke the jaw of Dinamo Bucharest captain Lica Movila in an off-the-ball incident in a European Cup semi-final in 1984 has been romanticised and legitimised over time as a sign of the club standing up for itself. Liverpool’s focus is misdirected.
If the club want to cry foul about something, then it would be better served finding its voice over the allegations Manchester City have flouted Financial Fair Play rules because if skulduggery has taken place that impacts on the title race and Liverpool’s pursuit of honours.
Liverpool’s principal owner John W Henry has shown he can be outspoken when it suits. Remember his interview before the Champions League final when he (wrongly) christened La Liga “weak”.
He also said “everyone in the [Premier] League knows what the large clubs bring to the value of foreign rights” as a precursor to the big six flexing their muscle and pushing to ensure overseas TV money is no longer distributed evenly among the top-flight clubs.
Certainly, Klopp should not be the club’s spokesman on the issue and yet, because he fronts a press conference two or three times a week, he is in the firing line and the only one who has voiced an opinion publicly.
To recap, he is all for FFP and believes Uefa should punish anyone found guilty of breaching the rules. It is obvious Liverpool are unhappy. So say something. After all, there is more value in addressing the future rather than dredging up the past.
1. Are you a cheat? Are you prepared to rob others of their deserved success and celebrate wildly while their children cry?
2. Can you play football to a reasonable standard?
3. How are you at joining in with maudlin over sad events over the past to illustrate how you feel more deeply than anybody else?
4. Are you happy to sit in front of the cameras after your career is over, and be a global cheerleader for a club that's won little over the past 30 years
If you can answer positively to any 2 of the above, sign on lad and get your kit.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
From The Times
Dejan Lovren feud with Sergio Ramos embarrassing for Liverpool
Paul Joyce, Northern Football Correspondent
Share
Save
Rewind briefly to the first half of the Champions League final in Kiev last May and a defender eyes up his rival and spots an opportunity to make — or rather leave — his mark. No sooner does the opponent try to slip away than his progress is crudely halted and he is left in a heap on the turf.
This is not Sergio Ramos versus Mohamed Salah, however. This is Dejan Lovren and Cristiano Ronaldo some 30 seconds into that showpiece.
The Liverpool centre back careers into the back of the then Real Madrid talisman, claiming man and ball and bundling him into touch, unsure of the outcome. A throaty roar emanates from the red hordes dotted around the Olimpiyskiy Stadium. Ronaldo rocks onto his knees, grimaces . . . and carries on.
It is worth reminding yourself of that moment in light of Lovren’s decision to reignite the feud with Ramos over the injury which ended Salah’s participation in the final after 31 minutes and saw him depart in tears nursing a shoulder.
Lovren enjoys a close friendship with Salah and, after Croatia beat Spain last Thursday, stated on social media that he had “elbowed him good” in reference to Ramos. When asked by a Liverpool fan if that was, in effect, “for Salah”, Lovren replied with a heart emoji.
Only it was not revenge, but rather another awkward, if not embarrassing demonstration of Liverpool’s inability to move on from Ramos’s challenge on Salah.
Jürgen Klopp had responded to questions on the club’s pre-season tour in America by describing Ramos’s tussle with the Egyptian as the move of a wrestler and claiming it was ruthless and brutal. But after Lovren rather shamelessly played to the gallery, Klopp should tell his squad that the name-checking must stop. It is time to draw a line under things.
If Liverpool progress into the knockout stages of this season’s competition and draw Real Madrid again, then by all means vent any lingering frustration on the pitch. Trample Ramos and Real — legitimately, of course — underfoot. For now, no more.
There is no doubt that Salah’s premature exit heavily influenced the outcome of the game. Real played ten yards higher up the pitch, no longer fearful of someone with searing pace running in behind. Yet the crux of the matter is that Liverpool had another hour that night in which to sort out Ramos, and Zinedine Zidane’s side, and no one proved capable of stepping up.
Bragging about elbowing a player (even one who was also implicated in injuring Loris Karius before the goalkeeper’s errors in Kiev) in a Nations League game six months later does not make up for that.
Furthermore, Graeme Souness’s punch which broke the jaw of Dinamo Bucharest captain Lica Movila in an off-the-ball incident in a European Cup semi-final in 1984 has been romanticised and legitimised over time as a sign of the club standing up for itself. Liverpool’s focus is misdirected.
If the club want to cry foul about something, then it would be better served finding its voice over the allegations Manchester City have flouted Financial Fair Play rules because if skulduggery has taken place that impacts on the title race and Liverpool’s pursuit of honours.
Liverpool’s principal owner John W Henry has shown he can be outspoken when it suits. Remember his interview before the Champions League final when he (wrongly) christened La Liga “weak”.
He also said “everyone in the [Premier] League knows what the large clubs bring to the value of foreign rights” as a precursor to the big six flexing their muscle and pushing to ensure overseas TV money is no longer distributed evenly among the top-flight clubs.
Certainly, Klopp should not be the club’s spokesman on the issue and yet, because he fronts a press conference two or three times a week, he is in the firing line and the only one who has voiced an opinion publicly.
To recap, he is all for FFP and believes Uefa should punish anyone found guilty of breaching the rules. It is obvious Liverpool are unhappy. So say something. After all, there is more value in addressing the future rather than dredging up the past.
Bullets in the post and hand grenades up the garden path for Mr Joyce now.
Surely that clause is only actually excellent business of they have someone to actually sell who Barca want?
Firminho? Looks a shadow of the player from the last 2 seasons
Salah? Compared to last season looks like Aiden McGeady this season
VVD? I'd buy him for 80m but wouldn't then pay an extra 90m premium so that rules him out.
There is literally no one else who I think Barca would be looking to buy which makes the clause pretty much pointless
Firminho? Looks a shadow of the player from the last 2 seasons
Salah? Compared to last season looks like Aiden McGeady this season
VVD? I'd buy him for 80m but wouldn't then pay an extra 90m premium so that rules him out.
There is literally no one else who I think Barca would be looking to buy which makes the clause pretty much pointless
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