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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 3

Calvin Aldi said:
Why can't he support a team in London, wrecks my head all these gegs who travel up and support a team they have no real affinity with.

Met some Kopite from Bournemouth when I was on holiday in Cyprus a couple of years ago. Asked him why he didnt support Bournemouth, came out with some tenuous half baked story about his uncle being a lorry driver in the 80s who used to get knock off footy kits on his travels and he liked the Liverpool one the best.
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Sign of the modern game though isn't it, like it or not. This forum is well represented with non-local Everton fans too, are we suggesting they're not welcome or that they somehow have no 'affinity' with the team?
 
GP_Monty said:
Sign of the modern game though isn't it, like it or not. This forum is well represented with non-local Everton fans too, are we suggesting they're not welcome or that they somehow have no 'affinity' with the team?
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We are just doing the sentence handed out to us for crimes in a past life
 
davek said:
I Iove this association...



Their dirge adopted by the chinless neo-colonialists.
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Can you imagine running out to a song used by that tory, flag waving racist nonsense? If they did it with Z-cars I'd refuse them to use it, and if they did demand we changed. No way would I want to be associated with the sort of scum who attend night of the proms.

You know that their core demographic (home county thatcherites) will be all over that, hence why it's been selected. It will fit in with the no blacks, no irish policy they ran for most of their existence.
 
davek said:
Should be a five-pointed star in that window.
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They've taken a black, middle eastern, Jewish anti-imperialist provacator and painted him as a white German. Essentially as they have no achievements in their own lives, they have to steal achievements of black people from the middle east.
 
catcherintherye said:
Can you imagine running out to a song used by that tory, flag waving racist nonsense? If they did it with Z-cars I'd refuse them to use it, and if they did demand we changed. No way would I want to be associated with the sort of scum who attend night of the proms.

You know that their core demographic (home county thatcherites) will be all over that, hence why it's been selected. It will fit in with the no blacks, no irish policy they ran for most of their existence.
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Over and above class, it's now been adopted by the flotsam and jetsam of society: X-Factor contestants and their audiences and the ruling caste of new imperialists.

When a song bridges the divide between the lumpen and parasitical elements you know it has no redeeming qualities to it whatsover.
 

davek said:
Over and above class, it's now been adopted by the flotsam and jetsam of society: X-Factor contestants and their audiences and the ruling caste of new imperialists.

When a song bridges the divide between the lumpen and parasitical elements you know it has no redeeming qualities to it whatsover.
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Is this LFC or night at the Proms?

On the 2nd point, this is the classic social bse of fascism isn't it? The lumpen proliteriat (blokes who urinate on memorials to those who have died) and the more squeezed middle sections (those cheer them on, and deflect from it). It's the same model.

Everton has a proliterian core to it's fanbase. As Labone said 1=20. It's funny Trotsky actually said the same about proliterians compared to the base of fascism (said we were worth 20 of them).

Once they start waving union jacks to YNWA though, they really ought to reflect who and what they are, which is very much English not scouse. They are invader in our lands, with a small handful of uncle tom scabs to cheer them on.
 
catcherintherye said:
Is this LFC or night at the Proms?

On the 2nd point, this is the classic social bse of fascism isn't it? The lumpen proliteriat (blokes who urinate on memorials to those who have died) and the more squeezed middle sections (those cheer them on, and deflect from it). It's the same model.

Everton has a proliterian core to it's fanbase. As Labone said 1=20. It's funny Trotsky actually said the same about proliterians compared to the base of fascism (said we were worth 20 of them).

Once they start waving union jacks to YNWA though, they really ought to reflect who and what they are, which is very much English not scouse. They are invader in our lands, with a small handful of uncle tom scabs to cheer them on.
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As I understand it, the cross-class pact that cemented nazism was the mittelstand (disaffected members of that sector who were lower middle class) and the lumpenproletariat.

As for YNWA at the Proms: it's been done a few times before, I think. I see its becoming a fixture as a result of a desperate bid to remain relevant on the part of the organisers and an affirmation of Liverpool FC being the Establishment club in Britain. I've always argued they are. They are supported by the media and the political elite. It's like the way Man Utd were the Establishment team in Ireland years ago. There's now a generation of influential figures in Britain who reach for LFC as a a cultural identifier. Sons of Shankly wont ever admit to it, but LFC are the club of the elite.
 
davek said:
As I understand it, the cross-class pact that cemented nazism was the mittelstand (disaffected members of that sector who were lower middle class) and the lumpenproletariat.

As for YNWA at the Proms: it's been done a few times before, I think. I see its becoming a fixture as a result of a desperate bid to remain relevant on the part of the organisers and an affirmation of Liverpool FC being the Establishment club in Britain. I've always argued they are. They are supported by the media and the political elite. It's like the way Man Utd were the Establishment team in Ireland years ago. There's now a generation of influential figures in Britain who reach for LFC as a a cultural identifier. Sons of Shankly wont ever admit to it, but LFC are the club of the elite.
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There's obviously different theories of what fascism is and how to identify it. I am most sympathetic to the one outlined their, which is essentially it developed an independent pole of attraction tht had a paradoxical position of doing aspects of what the elite wanted, but also existing as a threat in other areas. The social bae of the Nazi's (and indeed Mussolini's Fasci) were lumpen thugs and aspects of the middle class, at the lower end who felt "squeezed" above and below.

LFC have a very similar dynamic in their support base. Lots of home counties types with range rover and a subscription to the Telegraph and the lumpen fools who try to torch iconic symbolsof a working class city, or urinate on memorials/graffiti them. Go and watch Tommy Robinsons visits to Liverpool, the crowds that go to watch him are full of LFC shirts. They're a racist club, with racist support (he himself went to Anfield, and no harm came to him, I suspect he was welcomed).

As for the 2nd part, them and United are the establishment clubs. They're as establishment as Saville and Thatcher. Loads of tories support them, including now Rees Mogg. They are as English/British as the Union Jack. They are trying to colonise a working class city with their nonsense as well. They'll lap it up being on the Proms as well. There will be absolutely no calls for the club to distance itself from the establishment once YNWA becomes the new song of british imperialism at the Proms. Most of them will be dead chuffed they can asscoiate themselves to the mass murder of the British empire, as they hate Black people and Irish people.
 
catcherintherye said:
There's obviously different theories of what fascism is and how to identify it. I am most sympathetic to the one outlined their, which is essentially it developed an independent pole of attraction tht had a paradoxical position of doing aspects of what the elite wanted, but also existing as a threat in other areas. The social bae of the Nazi's (and indeed Mussolini's Fasci) were lumpen thugs and aspects of the middle class, at the lower end who felt "squeezed" above and below.

LFC have a very similar dynamic in their support base. Lots of home counties types with range rover and a subscription to the Telegraph and the lumpen fools who try to torch iconic symbolsof a working class city, or urinate on memorials/graffiti them. Go and watch Tommy Robinsons visits to Liverpool, the crowds that go to watch him are full of LFC shirts. They're a racist club, with racist support (he himself went to Anfield, and no harm came to him, I suspect he was welcomed).

As for the 2nd part, them and United are the establishment clubs. They're as establishment as Saville and Thatcher. Loads of tories support them, including now Rees Mogg. They are as English/British as the Union Jack. They are trying to colonise a working class city with their nonsense as well. They'll lap it up being on the Proms as well. There will be absolutely no calls for the club to distance itself from the establishment once YNWA becomes the new song of british imperialism at the Proms. Most of them will be dead chuffed they can asscoiate themselves to the mass murder of the British empire, as they hate Black people and Irish people.
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Couldn't have said it better.

;)
 

catcherintherye said:
There's obviously different theories of what fascism is and how to identify it. I am most sympathetic to the one outlined their, which is essentially it developed an independent pole of attraction tht had a paradoxical position of doing aspects of what the elite wanted, but also existing as a threat in other areas. The social bae of the Nazi's (and indeed Mussolini's Fasci) were lumpen thugs and aspects of the middle class, at the lower end who felt "squeezed" above and below.

LFC have a very similar dynamic in their support base. Lots of home counties types with range rover and a subscription to the Telegraph and the lumpen fools who try to torch iconic symbolsof a working class city, or urinate on memorials/graffiti them. Go and watch Tommy Robinsons visits to Liverpool, the crowds that go to watch him are full of LFC shirts. They're a racist club, with racist support (he himself went to Anfield, and no harm came to him, I suspect he was welcomed).

As for the 2nd part, them and United are the establishment clubs. They're as establishment as Saville and Thatcher. Loads of tories support them, including now Rees Mogg. They are as English/British as the Union Jack. They are trying to colonise a working class city with their nonsense as well. They'll lap it up being on the Proms as well. There will be absolutely no calls for the club to distance itself from the establishment once YNWA becomes the new song of british imperialism at the Proms. Most of them will be dead chuffed they can asscoiate themselves to the mass murder of the British empire, as they hate Black people and Irish people.
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Just read those comments 3 times.
Unbelievable.
 

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